Revealing Truth for Child and Family Justice

Every Nova Scotian family needs to be informed. This site will educate you concerning the provincially run "Agency" and the privately run Children's Aid Societies and Family and Children Services. We need a healthy system, operating ethically and delivering the services promised families in the Children and Family Services Act 1990. The NS government has been squelching this information. This site is an attempt to change this.

Wednesday, July 09, 2008

May 2008 REPORT Ministers Advisory Committee: Children and Family Services Act

REPORT Ministers Advisory Committee on Children and Family Services Act and Adoption Information Act -May 2008

Well folks here it is July and the May Report of the Minister's Advisory Committee is only now out ! This is a committee that is suppose to be annual and here it is MORE than 2 years later that we have a report - A report put together by an illegal committtee that has continued to funtion without the full membership specified under law.

The claim that they are not able to find people to fill the positions is the doing of the government itself. We are well aware of a number of qualified persons (verified by the Executive Council itself) who have asked to be on this committee several times but are repeatedly overlooked . They refuse to pay this committee the normal $100 per diem, they make the committee members wait for months to have their legitimate costs refunded, and to add insult to injury, behind their backs, they cancel their lunches ordered, while they are in session.

Besides not have the full membership mandated by law for this committee, the people on this committee have been sliding on and off continually. This has been a concern of ours because when the presentations that were critical of Comunity Services were made, at the beginning of this process, they were not recorded in any manner, by audio or video. Because this committee dragged on beyond their 1 year mandate, the people who would have written this report were NOT privy to these presentation.

We were surprised when the bureacrats of Community Services made a presentation to the multi-party Community Services Committee on, of all days, April the 1, 2008, April Fools Day. Read article on this HERE . Not one of the committee members was there ! In fact, we learned that the chair of the Advisory Committee was only informed of this presentation through one of the MLA who just happened to be on that multi-party committee.

We find this report wastes a lot of space quoting the act as they did on the April Fools Day presentation - The problem is not so much the Act. ( though we do recommend some changes) The biggest problem is that the province ignores the Act- ignores the law ! And we are sick and tired of the bureacrats quoting the Act as if they actually follow it - They do NOT !

When the Senate Committee on the Rights of the Children came to to Nova Scotia to hear the provincial government reps' rhetoric - they did not believe them - why should you! Read the news paper article concerning the senate report HERE . Read the Senate commite report Children: The Silenced Citizens HERE. And read the presentation given to this committee by advocates from Nova Scotia who traveled to Ottawa at the Senate's expense HERE and HERE on the Senate website, itself.

Below is the report- We will be adding comments in square brackets [ ] . This may take while to post and edit with our highlights and comments so please be patient.


REPORT Ministers Advisory Committee on Children and Family Services Act and Adoption Information Act -May 2008

Overview
This report reflects the work of the Minister’s Advisory Committee on the Children and Family Services Act and the Adoption Information Act. The Committee for this report was established in November 2005 in accordance with the mandate of the Advisory Committee as stated in Section 88(1) of the Children and Family Services Act. This section states:


The Minister shall establish an advisory committee whose function is to review
annually
the provisions of this Act and the services relating thereto and to report annually to the Minister concerning the operation of the Act and whether the principles and purpose of the Act are being achieved. -CFSA Section 88 (1)

The Advisory Committee experienced significant problems in meeting its mandate. Lack of provision in the legislation to specify terms of office coupled with the current system of making appointments annually presents obstacles to the ongoing functioning of the Committee.
Additionally there have been significant delays in filling vacant positions as they became available due to expiration of terms, resignations and controversy concerning appointments made. These issues are addressed in Part 3 of this report, Section 88 Advisory Committee.

[This controversy stemmed from the government continually appointing people in specific categories that did NOT meet the requirements of the categories and stubornly overlooking people who did meet the requirements of the categories - opting to appoint government people who did NOT meet the requirements specified in law]

The Committee did its best to obtain meaningful input from individuals and community groups
throughout the Province, discover experiences and insights concerning child welfare and
adoption information issues and services in Nova Scotia, and review current child welfare and
adoption literature trends (See Bibliography). Coupled with the fact that has been more than
seven years since the previous Advisory Committee Report (1999) was released
, [The correct date for the last time a Committee met to review the CFS Act was 1996] the Committee found that it required much longer than a year to produce a report that would adequately meet its mandate.

As part of the consultation process, the Advisory Committee held 27 all day meetings over a 23 month period. During the spring and summer of 2006 a campaign was developed and implemented to solicit feedback from the community. Letters were sent to approximately 250 organizations/individuals throughout the Province requesting written submissions, with invitations to present in person to the Committee.

[ No special invites were sent out to people whom the government knew would criticise the Department of Community Services - No special invites were sent to the 2 women, Linda Youngson and Marily Dey who took the Minister of Community Services to court to force him to follow the law that mandated him to set up this Advisory Committee ]

One-page flyers were included with the letters asking organizations to place them on their notice boards. A newspaper advertisement was placed in the major newspapers throughout the Province and

[This was a VERY tiny print general advertisement for all government committees buried in the back of the papers and only published for 1 or 2 days, depending on the paper] ,

in September 2006, notices were included with Income Assistance cheques. The notices advised individuals, who may not have been involved with organizations, of the Committee’s mandate, and solicited their input through written and/or personal presentations about their experiences with the Act and its’ implementation as well as any suggestions for improvement. Contact information via email, postal address and web page information was included with all campaign literature. [ This is NOT correct !] The Children and Family Services Act and the Adoption Information Act was made available on the Internet.

[ When people who did not have internet access, requested print copies of the Act, this was denied.]

(See Appendix’ B Campaign Literature)

Over an eight-month time frame, the Advisory Committee received 51 written and verbal submissions, 14 of which were presented in person from groups and individuals from throughout the Province.

[ There should have been more individual presentation. We are aware of people who were denied this opportunity because of Lynn Cheek : Lynn Cheek is a government person who was appointed to this committee by this government to prevent people critical of the government from making personal presentations. Ms Cheek invented new requirements to present to this committee including having to read the ACT and having to connect their presentations to specific sections of the ACT - yet denying people copies of the ACT when requested. Also, when the submission closing date was fast approaching, she suddenly required all submissions and requests to present be made through the mail "with a stamp". Linda Youngson, one of the 2 ladies who took the Minister to court to get this committee appointed, was told by Ms Cheek that because her written submission was so thorough that she did not have to make a personal presentation. Of course Ms Youngson did not accept this . But when she and another advocate went to present, there was only 2 members there to hear the presentation (The chair had already informed her that the quorum for this committee was 8 ) When these 2 ladies requested to present again, there were a few more members present but still NOT a quorum - Yet they were told, at this time, that the supportive presentation, which were heard 1st, all received a quorum. When the press got hold of Lynn Cheek's behavior and questioned her on this, she suddenly resigned - Only to be reappointed later, when the heat died down]

Most submissions came from people who had direct experience with child protection services - as professionals providing services to families, parents whose children had been in need of protective services, and youth who are/were in care. Many submissions from individuals were received in the form of hand-written letters, email messages, typed personal letters and/or oral presentations to the Committee describing personal situations and experiences of their involvement of child protection services. About 20 percent (11) submissions were from people who had experience with the Adoption Information Act. The Committee appreciates the time and dedication from these individuals and organizations represented. To establish a basis for this report, the Committee also reviewed recommendations and follow-up actions from the three previous committee reports:
Report Ministers Advisory Committee on Children and Family Services Act, 1993;
Report Ministers Advisory Committee on Children and Family Services Act, 1996;
Report Ministers Advisory Committee on Children and Family Services Act, 1999.

A summary of recommendations from the 1999 report is included in Appendix ‘C’ Summary of
Follow Up to Previous Reports from the Advisory Committee Report, 1999 and Current Status.

Eight major themes emerge from reports and submissions received. They are as follows:

• The Nova Scotia Children and Family Services Act (CFSA) is generally considered to
be a good Act.

• There is a critical lack of resources to implement the CFSA in accordance with its
principles.

[ This is the same old cry for more money - This is NOT the answer ! - When CS gets more money, they feel they have to justify this by victimizing more families and children. They need to spend the money they have already, HELPING families with the services mandated in the CFS Act , NOT using it to gather lyinging information against families by hiring organizations and individuals who have lucritive contracts with Children Services, who will sell their souls to give CS whatever they want in order to keep these contracts]

• 16-18 year olds receive inadequate protection, insufficient services and have little
input into decision-making.

[ The Act -Section 37 (2) - states that children 12 and over have the right to their own lawyers - The Act - Section 41 (4) - also states that it is the responsibility of the Court to make sure the child knows this right. We know CS and the provincially funded Legal Aid system is willing to lie and stymie the parents and children to prevent them from this right. We know no judge who had followed through on their responsibility to be sure the child knows their right. The family lawyer system in Nova Scotia is so corrupt, the lawyers do not defend the parents as they should - They actually direct the parents to the slaughter - So if the lawyers do not defend the parents as they should, why would they defend the children? - After many years of advocacy work there is NOT one NS family lawyer we would recommend for families - These lawyers take direction from CS NOT the parents. See more information about this concern HERE ]

• Extended family has little if any involvement in custody/protection plans.

[ The act itself states that family members are to be contacted as possible foster parents before being shipped out to stangers. Concerning this responsibility to seek family member to do so, the act says "the Court shall" Section 42 (2) and "the Agency shall" Section 28(1) . "Shall" is a legal term which means the Agency and the Court are legally required to do so . See more information on this HERE ]

• There were divergent opinions regarding Section 22 of the CFSA.

[ This is the concern that gives the government the right to apprehend a child on the basis that "maybe, perhaps, sometime in the future a parent might possibly" etc . It is NOT based on any wrong doing that the parent has done - just a supposition that they MIGHT ! See more information HERE]

• There is a lack of trust in the child protection system by recipients of services and
the members of the public
. [ This fact and realization was also reported in the Nunn Report -NS government WAKE UP! ]

• There is a need for the establishment of a Children’s Advocacy Office.

[ The current Ombudsman office is NOT doing their job protecting the children in the system and informing them of their rights. See more information HERE and HERE ]

• There is a trend toward open adoption and disclosure of adoption information.
This report has been divided into three parts.
Part One - Service issues and Child Protection Legislation.
Part Two - The Adoption Information Act
Part Three - The Mandate of the Advisory Committee as stated in Section 88(1) of the
Children and Family Services Act.


ADVISORY COMMITTEE-CHILDREN & FAMILY SERVICES ACT

-Member List 2005-2006 [ Look back here for updates questioning accuracy of appointment dates and comments on Mr Van Zoost's (personal friend of the Minister who was appointed to the parent category) appointment that is not listed her ]

1. Minority Representative - Section 88(2)(e)
Ms. Mira Musanovic
Metropolitan Immigrant Settlement
Association
Halifax, Nova Scotia
15/12/05-14/12/05

2. Parent Representative - Section 88(2)(a)
Mr. Frederick Francis Benson
Halifax, Nova Scotia
01/02/06-28/02/06

3. Community Member- Section 88(2)(f) [ This NOT a category specified in the ACT ! The term used here is deliberately used to mislead the people of Nova Scotia ! Just above, this report took the time to quote Section 88 (1) but NOT Section 88 (2) which specifies the different categories of appointments and makes clear which are mandatory and which are not. Please hyperlink HERE to read Section 88 (2). This misnamed catergory is NOT mandatory - This is a category where the Minister gets to stack the committee with 3 more supporters " as the Minister may determine". Give us a break - you are not fooling us with this deceiving title. When we went to witness people giving their presentations, these apointees proudly identified themselves as "Special appointment by the Minister" ]
Ms. Barbara Sowinski
Dartmouth, Nova Scotia
01/11/05-31/10/06

4. Community Member- Section 88(2)(f) [ Here is another "Special appointment by the Minister" ]
Ms. Cheryl Gillett Harawitz (chair)
Halifax, Nova Scotia
01/11/05-31/10/06

5. Community Member- Section 88(2)(f) [ Here is another "Special appointment by the Minister" ]
Ms. Trena Slaunwhite Gallant
Parent Resource Centre
Halifax, Nova Scotia
01/11/05-31/10/06

6. Legal Aid Lawyer - Section 88(2)(d) [ Remember Legal Aid, whether Dalhousie or NS Legal Aid is run by the government- So here we have more government people]
Ms. Kathy Briand
Antigonish, Nova Scotia
01/11/05-31/10/06

7. Minority Representative - Section 88(2)(e)
Mr. Kenneth Deveau
Department des sciences de l’éducation
Université Sainte-Anne
Point-de-l’Église, Nouvelle-Écosse
15/12/05-14/12/06

8.Ministerial Representative – Section 88(2)(c)
Ms. Lynn Cheek (resigned, December, 2006) [ Read explaination above concerning Ms Cheek blocking people from making presentations - Being found out by the media - resigning and then sneaking back on the committee when the heat died down and the multi-party Human Resources committee was asleep on the job - again ! Read HERE our serious concerns with the Human Resources Committee]
Department of Community Services

Halifax, Nova Scotia
1/12/05-31/12/06
Resigned October 2006

9. Agency Representative - Section 88(2)(b)
Mr. Richard B. Gruchy
Department of Community Services
Halifax, Nova Scotia
01/11/05-31/10/06

10. Parent Representative - Section 88(2)(a)
Ms. Valerie Hill
Sydney, Nova Scotia
1/12/05-31/12/06


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Saturday, May 31, 2008

WARNING: Never - Never - Never go to Children Services/Aid

WARNING ! ! !
Never -Never - Never
go to
Children Services/Aid
for
help.

We have put off placing this warning front and center on this site. But the horrors we have come to know of a system that is arrogant and out of control demands that this warning be placed front and center.

Time and time again, we have seen innocent naive families go to Children/Aid for help - thinking this Agency cares about families - only to find their families victimized by a system that was suppose to help them.

Instead of helping, their children are torn from them and all sorts of wickedness is manufactured against them by a system that is NOT professional or ethical.

Once in court, any services given are thinly veiled investigation tools and information gleaned is then twisted and used against families. These people are experts at twisting anything against you: Too little education ! Too much education! Dishes in the sink! And the latest - Too many books! - You are damned if you do and damned if you don't.

And we are still amazed when the bureaucrats from this department parrot their repetitive lies with such an air of virtue and purity and throw out their avoidance phrases with such innocence.

Do not go to them for help !

We need a good, proper functioning Children's Aid/Service/Agency - But that it NOT what we have now !

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Monday, May 26, 2008

37. The Streatch Exterior begins to Crack

37. The Streatch Exterior begins to Crack

First the Minister lends her government car to her son who then crashes the car and now this :

N.S. Audit Uncovers 'Alarming' Errors in Children's Aid Office
By DAVID JACKSON Provincial Reporter
Wed. May 21, Halifax Herald

Community Services Minister Judy Streatch says her department will take control of Family and Children's Services of Kings County after an audit found troubling errors and failure to meet provincial standards.

A five-year-old child found alone in front of a hospital one night didn't warrant an investigation by Kings County's children's aid office, just one of many serious errors an audit of the office has uncovered.

The audit, released today, also noted many cases of poor record-keeping and failure to meet provincial standards for child protection.

"Overall, the auditors noted significant and pervasive concerns with respect to poor file organization, errors in judgement, lack of compliance with mandatory standards, lack of oversight and direction, lack of documentation, and a general under-response to situations of risk to children," the audit summary said. [ What most people do not understand is that the Minister is directly responsible for the PRIVATE agencies because they are suppose to report directly to her - While the PUBLIC agencies have a whole bureaucracy between them and the Minister . So you see folks the accountability for this poorly run agency lies squarely on Ms Streatch's lap ! ]

Despite the problems, Community Services Minister Judy Streatch said they didn't find any children being left in unsafe situations. [Shake your head Ms Streatch, a 5 year old child out alone at night is UNSAFE! ]

"No. Fortunately, our audit very clearly points out, though we have standards, procedures and practices that were not being met to the provincial standard, fortunately, no children or youth were at risk," [ Shake shake? - I am assumming Ms Streatch said this thinking the media did not have the details of this young child - Good for you media - caught her in a lie and actually wrote about it ! ] she said. "We were very in-depth in our analysis."

In the case of the five-year-old, whom police found, the audit said staff decided not to investigate based on dealing with the family in the past, and because the incident had occurred "a few weeks ago."

Auditors called it an "alarming error."

Ms. Streatch said that her department will absorb Family and Children's Services of Kings County, and she's appointed an interim executive director in the meantime. Leonard Doiron, a former acting director of child welfare for the province, takes over today.

Robert Myles was the executive director at the time of the audit in December. Ms. Streatch said she couldn't comment on whether he was still with the office because personnel issues are confidential, but she did say that no one was fired. [ What we have found in the past is just this - no one is fired, they are just shuffled around. Sound familiar? Like the priests who abused little childrren- the system protects their own ]

Mark Mander, president of the aid society's volunteer board of directors, said the board decided within the last month to integrate into the department, something other agencies have also done in the last two years. On Tuesday, the department announced Family and Children's Services in Cumberland, Queens, and Yarmouth counties would join.

Mr. Mander characterized the audit as "informing" and said one expects any audit to find deficiencies.

"This was mostly process-based - did you dot that i, cross that t," said Mr. Mander, who works as Kentville's police chief. [With this attitude, perhaps the Kentville police need to be audited too?]

He said he didn't have information about the case of the five-year-old. [Shake- Shake-Shake ! Mander is a Kentville's police CHIEF - the police found this child - But he has no information on this case? Do we believe this? ]

The audit, by two department staff [an inside job] , said the office has one casework supervisor, seven social workers, plus a contract worker who handles intake calls. The auditors said only registered social workers should handle intake calls.

During intake, the social worker is supposed to actively gather information about allegations of child abuse and/or neglect.

When the worker determines the risk to the child, the severity determines the time to start an investigation.

"Priority 1" is a life-threatening situation, with a response of one hour, down the scale to "Priority 5" with no risk, and a response within 21 working days.

The audit found the majority of cases were labelled low risk, even allegations of a risk of violence in the home or a parent's drug abuse that should have had a higher priority.

In one case, a worker labelled a high risk sex offender in "a parenting role" with children as an "'unsuitable association'" rather than "'risk of sexual abuse.'"

The auditors also found shortcomings in child protection work, including problems with risk assessments.

There was one example of a parent designated high risk whom the office allowed to resume an unsupervised care-giving role, without appropriately deciding whether the children were still at risk.

Ms. Streatch said workers will get a thorough review of the guidelines and procedures they're supposed to follow in the complex field of child welfare.

"We will do what we have set out as concrete steps to ensure that the community can rest assured that those standards and those procedures are being met."

Comments:

TEAbbott wrote:I blame Judy Streatch... She should be fired and a replacement hired.

Little Jonny wrote:Nothing new here.

unfit wrote:what about the 12 year old boy that lied and said his parents abused him, just so he could go to a different school with his cousin,...2 family members backed his story up just for the monthly check,one being the cousin,the other the aunt... childrens aid jumped all over the parents even though they were involved with many organizations with their lil handicapped daughter including ,apsea,early intervention,physio and occupational theraphy,all these workers stated this family was fantastic,the mother treated her kids and half the neighbourhood kids great...she was always doing or taking her kids on outings plus a few other kids as well..yet those statements mysteriously were lost or never recorded..,one childrens aid worker even went to court and lied on the stand [We know of other cases when workers have out and out lied] , after about 2 months this boy decided to tell the truth, childrens aid went to his school to talk to him, when he told them he lied they told him he was abused and to remember they read him a statement they claimed he told them, yet this boy denied he said it, the boy still says childrens aid had stories of abuse that never happened and he never said half of what they read him [Again unfortunately this is not the first time that we are aware that children were coached to tell stories that were not true] ...i think it boils down to this one worker didnt like the mother on the first meeting becuze the mother is straight forward and dont pull no punches she gets right to the point... I think its time the glace bay office is investigated...

rcs wrote: judy streatch:it is so obvious your employees are not doing the job they are paid to do!**you need to get back to basic business practices and procedures..ill suggest a few tips to you from a common man --rcs.**first- have all employees describe their job descriptions as they understand them..have them list all the things they were hired to do and list all the things they are not doing or are most lax in doing. then have them list why they are not doing the tasks hired to complete.then ask them what they suggest should be done to rectify this situation.this shall shed much necessary light needed to move foreward.the questions should be asked one at a time ,in private with each employee. i do not know how many employees you have but you must either do this yourself or your second in command **if you feel comfortable with him or her**.sit in private with each employee and let them write down the answer to each question and have them sign at the bottom line..then pass out the next question, sign then the next and so on.....try not to give the employees time to communicate with others until the final employee has completed this process.**do not be afraid to "replace "any employee.**.this will send a clear and immediate signal to the employees and to the public........the message is"judy streatch"means to fix the problem immediately......one very important thing to remember..................!!!!!!never shift the blame to others!!!!!!!!!!the public is sick and tired and fed up with blame shifting....!!!!!you must i repeat must shoulder the entire blame!!!!!!!!do not lollygag on this .get it done immediately and make updates to the public...nothing earth shaking just let folks know judy streatch is working diligently on this major concern.

David fm CH wrote: Although this is a very challenging and often thankless job, we must hold our community services to a high standard, especially when it comes to children. Lets use the recommendations of the auditor to improve the system.

Shell_B_98 wrote: Does not surprise me in the least. Children's aid is a joke most of the time. Please read FB group "father wronged by Children's aid" Sad and true story

melvina wrote: Hopefully there wasn't a dangerous dog prowling around the hospital. It is beyond sad that issues like a child being left alone is ignored (or not dealt with properly) by the powers that be, yet "so called dangerous" dogs are a "hot topic"! Yet another sad day in politics!

bpnormal wrote: Well Well Well colour me surrrrprised.

stephen burke wrote: How can the Minister make a statement none of the childern where in unsafe situation when in the same breath she made the statement "poor record keeping and failure to meet provincial standard's" along with the auditors found alarming errors" After adopting my grandchild that took three years to complete, (granted in another province) the glaring mistakes made where alarming and difficult to process, still bother me today and knowing there are childern and families in the system that are being affected negitivly not only in Nova Scotia but across the country.

sassy wrote: I am shocked a Government worker not investigating cases that are dealing with innocent children why is she able to keep her job.She should be fired and the position given to some one qualified and who will actually take their job serious.

myoppiniononly wrote: Well im glad for the five year old picked up by a police officer and not a pedofile. No investigation?..where was her mother?..why was she left there? INVESTIGATION or if something happens to a child in these circumstances they will wear the blood on their hands..kids need to be protected !!!!

DUKE wrote: i think the executive director should be fired as he was in charge there ! He was suppose to report this to the minister, she should have to baby sit these people

TheWorldCop wrote: Keep playing and at the same time making money.

tgpebb wrote: Nope. Never left in an unsafe situation. I guess I "don't" recall 2 small children being forgotten by children's services. They were in a physically unsafe home and were reported by the police to children's services. Oddly enough, children's services were "looking" for that family (having lost track of them once), but neglected to follow up on the police report until the family had moved again. This only happened next door to me (having been the one complaining to the police), but obviously my recollection is fuzzy.

Wake Up Canada wrote: What is Judy Streatch talking about, placing Leonard Dorion in supervision? DCS controls Children's Aid Society.They are side contracts for DCS,when DCS took over their territory back in 1998, after the Ceasor Lalo case! And speaking of Leonard Dorion, when two Halifax women took DCS to the Supreme Courts regarding "NOT HAVING A ADVISORY COUNSEL BOARD FOR 10 YEARS",that Judy Streatch [Correction: David Morse was the Minister of Community Services at this time] failed to attend this Court case and placed Leonard Dorion in her [his] place,and guess how he answered all of Graham Steele's [the lawyer for the 2 women] questions,I DON'T KNOW! What does he know and will he turn the other cheek and claim that he doesn't know anything in King's County,in the future? [Actually, the justice was so shocked by the many different ways Leonard Dorion had of wording his avoidance that he kept a running list of the various phrases Leonard used to say "I don't know" - When the justice was summing up he actually read this list out to everyone in court - Too bad Leonard Dorion had not bothered to stay for the rest of the court session because he missed this obvious public humiliation by the justice - After being on the stand, he immediately donned his coat and rushed off]

JohnJon wrote: In Nova Scotia, I don't believe it. How shocking. Yeah right. Who in there right mind wouldn't believe this happened in this province where lack of integrity and honesty is a normal thing. Time to clean house and get rid of these bureacratic imbeciles that run this province. This just goes to show of all the millions of tax dollars that are wasted by these individuals that couldn't run a Lemonade stand let alone a government department. And then we wonder why the debt in this province is so high, while these individuals get paid enormous salaries and perks for a job they can not even do properly in the first place. Time for the people of this province to demand someones head on a silver platter, starting with Robme MacDonald on down.

Wake Up Canada wrote: Judy Streatch already controls the Children's Aid Society folks,their side kick contractors for DCS. DCS took control of Children's Aid Society after the Ceasor Lalo case back in 1998. It's about time people want this department investigated!!!

marti wrote: I totally agree with TEAbbott! Get rid of the embarrassingly inexperienced, incapable Judy Stretch! Taxpayers should be outraged and should get proper service for their hard earned money.

Ahem-ahem wrote: In another front-page story on the NS businessman and IWK volunteer who was caught buying child pornography, the police are quoted as saying, "The child exploitation unit first received information about the case in 2004 but was unable to act sooner because of other complaints it was investigating". Why in heavens name are Nova Scotia children such a low priority?!

scottnhalifax wrote: go figure, i had the a problem with them years ago with false statments from kids, turns out (name removed by moderator) was wrong and told to move on.

Ms M wrote: I feel all Childrens aid departments should be audited. Expecially HRM I have never dealt with so much misinformation and false statements from any government department as I have with Child services in HRM. Nothing is ever noted and nothing is provided in writing. They will blame each other before taking owership of their miscommunication or actions.

from the cape wrote: I find it very hard to believe that DCS has only found out about this from an audit. I am sure that people on the front lines and exec directors aren't as tight lipped as these audits make them appear about the workload and staffing issues that plague child protection across the country. I am sure DCS is not auditing their own agencies and if they did they would likely find more of the same of what they are finding at the children's aid offices. I find it absolutely appalling how the government pretends it knows nothing before the audit and takes no responsibility for the mess they create. There are many problems with DCS and CAS agencies, they are overworked, understaffed, don't have enough experienced workers and don't have the resources to appropriately respond to the problems they are dealing with. Rest assured most people aren't sleeping on their desks in these offices so don't let a few bad apples ruin your perspective on these workers. DCS is doing more of the same, glorifying themselves while making children's aid agencies look really bad. Case and point, this review and the CAS in cape breton takeover. You can't expect people to do an outstanding job if you don't give them the tools to do it. The public should be outraged as they pay for these services. I would hope at the end of the day someone would not leave a child in an unsafe circumstance. But while making sure children are safe when is there time for paperwork ?

douthinkso? wrote: There should be regular check ups on this office especially when your dealing with kids safety.

Reality chick wrote: I am not sure this is a Judy Stretch problem. I can not speak to her abilities in this area, but I would think that anyone who is given such an important job as ensuring that children are safe and cared for, as those employed in Family and Children Services, should not need to have a babysitter to ensure they are doing their job. I know what would happen in my work if I (or anyone else) were not performing as expected - we would be dismissed. It does not take a rocket scientist to figure out that a child left standing outside of a hospital alone, is a child at risk. I would question the abilities of those employed within this department.

endlessdaze wrote: No time for paper work? What about dictation and trans-scribing it...forwarding to superiors...those in the position to ensure that ALL results have reached the next level...Works for Doctors...you never see them far away from their little pocket recorders that then goes directly to the appropriate computer, where it is dealt with and passed on...by a live body with a brain whose job it is to ensure this happens. Try it, apparently it works.

The Rat wrote: what a joke she runs Community Services!!! she can't even run her own household!!! her son smashing up a government vechice! she should be canned!!!!

kingscountyvictim wrote: I hope Bob Myles and his staff are scrutinized for what they've done. They ruined my life over a false allogation.

reklaw wrote: It is very unfortunate the government is not taking responsibility for the actions of workers they manage. What is also very unfortunate is the number of people who abuse our systems and require follow up by case workers that could be working on serious threats to childrens safety. In this day in age, whenever a childs welfare is in danger & nothing is done to protect the child, everyone is to blame. Anyone directly involved with the child who chooses to ignore the obvious all the way up to the minister herself.

jdubya wrote: Hence the adage: 'Social Services does it's job, there won't be a job for social services to do'. And once again the #1 job priority of a social worker: Make sure there is work for social workers.

Kerianne wrote: It is true, the errors found in the audit are definately 'alarming', however, I think that stating Mrs. Streatch can't control her own family simply because her son had an accident in her government vehicle is a little outrageous. I can only speculate that the person who made that comment doesn't have any children. Because if they did, they would know that even the most stable, loving, healthy family in the world is still prone to a car accident or two by one of their teenagers.

john_peters29 wrote: Congratulations Judy Streatch on continuing to successfully destroy the reputation of aid societies around Nova Scotia. I cannot commend you enough for finally deciding to make an appearance to audit these agencies after these audits have been MIA for almost ten years. I’m ecstatic to know that social workers will now be more concerned with paper work than actually taking action about child protection. The number of under-staffed agencies in this province is revolting and the high caseloads are unacceptable which is why, perhaps, your department is so eager to jump at the chance to put the blame on these agencies that have been mostly privately run until two years ago, instead of looking within the larger department to find the cause. Obviously, there going to be uncrossed T's and undotted I's when there are a small number of workers for the high number of demands within a large area. Goodluck with this band-aid approach - but it can only stick for so long.

goldie wrote: Folks: This is not an audit in the real sense. This is an audit done by silly sevants themselves!! Would be interesting to know what really happened to get a review going. This children's aid agency is out of King's where they have "secret courts" [provincial Family courts with provincially appointed judges] - no one is allowed in the courts so, they do what ever they want! Here in Halifax we have an open family court at least, even though they try to keep you out, it is open. [ Supreme Court Family Division with federally appointed justices - this system was suppose to be extended all across the province but it started AND STOPPED with Halifax and Cape Breton in 1998, I believe, - The people of this province need to push our politicians to get this open court system extended throughout this province. Anyone has the right to go into court and sit in on any Childen Services case on Halifax and Cape Breton -Do not bother even asking - the court officials lied to us about our ability to do so when we asked BUT when we started walking in they could do nothing to stop us because that was our right and once we knew our right, they could not stop us ] Judy Streatch is breaking the law by refusing to put in place the Annual Review Commmittee for the Children and Family Services Act, and she knows it, and so do a lot of other people! This committee is to be set up with two parent representatives on it to report to the government on the workings of the Act. The Committee has been high-jacked by appointees who are government employees. The parents are rarely appointed, even though qualified parents have applied to be on the committee.The committee has not been working for more than ten years! There is no place where parents can go once child protection gets involved with the family. The lies,distortions, harassment and harm are a terror for the child and the family. Children of Nova Scotia are being harmed everyday by the actions of the very agency put in place to help them. Young teens are acting out with violence against what has happened to them once child protection attaches itself to their family. There are cases after cases in the courts and reported in the newspaper every week. Child protection hides the corruption behind "confidentiallity" to keep it hidden from the public.Take a visit to Devonshire Court to see for yourself. The whole child protection deal needs an INDEPENDENT AUDIT!!

caper70 wrote: Where was Judy Streatch when all this was happening? oh right she was "out for Ice Cream"!!

Heatherdee wrote: Community Services has to be the most troubled department in any province, but especially this one. There are some pretty messed up people out there experiencing some pretty desperate times, some they bring on themselves and some they don't. I trust the Minister will be taking measures to correct some of the damage so people, families can heal.

The Rat wrote: To Kerianne : Obviously you didn't read what I wrote -"government vehicle"; her son never should have been driving it!!!! The problem with Politicians is they are like diapers, they are full of .... and should be changed frequently! Half the time you have Ministers that have zero experience in the Dept. they are running......so they rely on the "experts" that run the depts. like the executive Director. Lets look at Corrections for an example Fred Honsburger the executive Director stated in the paper that inmates eat in the dining hall and there isn't one in Burnside; so this is the bigger question -how are the Politicains to know what is going on when the "experts" they rely on in each dept. are idiots??? I'm sure there is some fool in upper management in Community services that has been telling the Minister all along that everything is running GREAT;) and yes I have kids

matt409 wrote: this great system of ours i'm still waiting for a dog to be removed from babies mothers house - dog already bit the baby once - guess they want the dog to eat her first -what else can i do they won't do nothing

scorned wrote: The only way to get this government to do anything is through public humiliation. [First: for humiliation to work, one must have the ability to feel shame - these bureaucrats are adept, habitual liars who feel no shame - Second: one has to be around to hear the public humiliation - As mentioned above, when the justice publiclly humiliated Leonard Dorion, he was not even there - I was - And I remember thinking the lawyers for the government will probably not even tell Leonard Dorion that he had been publically shamed in court.] And you can bet that even then, folks who failed to do their jobs correctly still won't be fired. The Old Boys Club runs the show in NS, and they look out for each other.

applejack wrote: While I agree that government run agencies are often sorely lacking in their accountability. What all of you have failed to get from this story is that at the time of the audit the Kings County's children's aid office was not being run by the government but was a privately run agency. [ What you do not understand is that the Minister was still responsible for the private agencies - actually the Minister is more directly responsible for the private agencies because they are suppose to report directly to her ! ] As a result of the findings in this recent audit it is now being taken over by the Dept of Community Services. Will things be run any better with this change? that remains to be seen. However one is left to wonder if it could be any worse. With the 'alarming errors' that were uncovered one must also wonder why Robert Myles executive director at the time,would still be employed with an agency in charge of the welfare of our children ? is he not accountable for what happened under his watch?

goldie wrote: Applejack: There is no accountabiity only cover-up in this child protection business. Families are being destroyed by this government run business. It's a money making deal with no or very little interst in helping families. As soon as childrens aid gets involved, the children are labelled "special needs", all of them. Why, so child protection/government can apply for disability payments for each and everyone of the kids they have in care. Child tax benefit credits - where does that go - back to the government?? The child tax benefit credit should be in a trust for the child available for the child when they age out of the sytem. You have hundreds of kids-14, 15, 16 year olds out on the street trying to break free of the system that has destroyed them. Just walk down Spring Garden Road and check it out for yourself. We are allowing this government to do this to our families and children by not finding out what is happening and by allowing it to continue.

nano wrote: Goldie is right...what we have is government investigating itself...this inherently precludes accountability and ONLY conceals the corruption that is pervasive in this department...no doubt Judy Streatch should be terminated from employment as she refuses to acknowledge the problems with the child protection system and is contravening the CFS Act herself with impunity...

lugubrious wrote: I find the comments attributed to the former president of the Kings County aid society’s volunteer board of directors, Kentville Police Chief Mark Mander, toward the audit of the agency are disturbing. He WAS the president of the board of directors, wasn't he? "Informing"? "Process based"? Dotting i's and crossing t's? Why did the board need to be "informed" by the audit? Did they not know that violent parents or drug using parents were being labelled as low risk caregivers? Is this the "process" he's referring to? Maybe it's the process that led the board to be uninformed as to what was happening to the children under their care. Who would know? Maybe instead if i's and t's and dotting or crossing, he should be concerned with the grammatical problem when "...a worker labelled a high-risk sex offender in "a parenting role" with children as an "’unsuitable association’" rather than "risk of sexual abuse...." Comparing putting a child under the direct care of of a high risk sex offender with grammatical errors is disgusting. How about "...a parent designated high-risk whom the office allowed to resume an unsupervised caregiving role, without appropriately deciding whether the children were still at risk...." Mr. Mander did not want to comment on this type of audit finding. Perhaps he could compare this to using a singular instead of a plural, or a typo. The fact that Mr. Mander would make such comments (or lack thereof) in a newspaper article about an agency that he was directly responsible for says a lot about his commitment to the position. Apparently he is more concerned about covering his own behind than the behinds of the children who were in danger. The BOARD decided within the "last month" to integrate into the department? They probably had lots of choice after the audit..... Mr. Mander should just admit the board and those they oversaw just screwed up. There is no room for political cowardice when it comes to ensuring the safety and welfare of children. At least he had the nerve to make some ill chosen comments. Where is Robert Myles, the executive director at the time of the audit? Well, at least we know that he wasn't fired. "...Community Services Minister Judy Streatch said the audit findings were troubling. But despite the problems, she said no children were left in unsafe situations...." How does the Minister know this? Later in the article, it said: "...a parent designated high-risk whom the office allowed to resume an unsupervised caregiving role, without appropriately deciding whether the children were still at risk...." If it was not decided appropriately if there was a risk or not, how do you know the children were safe in an unsupervised environment? The Minister's comments are ridiculous! Well done Mr. Mander, Mr. Myles and Minister Streatch. The children of Kings County are grateful for your political efforts on their behalf. Thank heaven for auditors.

Alain wrote: A very complex series of situations. You can only do the best you can. I wish them continued success in what is often a very difficult and challenging field.

CapeHalifax wrote: One expects an audit to find deficiencies ? Holy cow dude could you be more blasé ? I guess as long as your paycheque is still coming in there is nothing to worry about. Whose brother-in-law is this guy ? What a pitiful state this province's affairs are in.

Raoul Duke wrote: I feel there is an awful lot of information missing pertinent to this particular case, however, the simple fact thet Community Services is performing an internal audit is very unsettling. This audit should be administered by the NS Ombudsman's office. Quite frankly, an internal audit presents an opportunity to clean up the mistakes quickly and quietly, and without informing the general public. Here in Halifax, Children's Aid/Child Protective Services/Family and Children's Service already operates under the umbrella of the Dept. Of Community Services and am a little concerned it isn't that way provincewide. Our family has had to deal with Children's Aid recently, and I would love to have our case audited, as there are a great many issues that we had to overcome and I would sleep easier at night knowing that our family wasn't used as a means of an inexperienced newbie worker trying to justify her own personal agenda. I've been told directly that the only persons that Child Protection workers have to answer to and account for their actions is the Office of the Ombudsman. FWIW... they are now called Child Protective Services so they don't actually have to be responsible for the children, but as a means of punishing the parents/adults/guardians involved in cases. In my day... teens didn't hold a lot of respect for the law, but we certainly respected our parents (in general), which was enough to keep the majority on a path to becoming successful adults.
singlemommy wrote:I am writing to you to let you know that I have read this article and I am very upset by some of the things said in it. It has been stated that the office was not doing their job. I have to agree with that statement whole heartedly. I went to the department 2 yrs ago when my 5 yr old daughter came home from her weekend visits with her father. She informed me that her father and his girlfriend at that time were drinking and driving with her in the vehicle and he had thrown a beer can at the girlfriend while she was driving and nothing was done about this. They told me to contact the police which I did. The police told me they couldn't do anything with out instructions from Family and Children's Services. I called them back and told them that. I got a complete runaround during that time. The following summer the same issue came up again, again I called the office and told them what my daughter was telling me again, again I got the same runaround. How can they make a statement saying no child was left in an "unsafe situation" when I was telling them that my daughter's life was in danger? I am very, very, upset by this article. what were these people doing when I was asking them to help protect my daughter?

valley gurl wrote: we recently made calls to family and childrens re concerns of a 2 year old's witnessing violence...ah let's see now.. that was about a month ago we have yet to hear from them.and we were told on the phone they don't get involved in child custody cases.....hello!!!Mom is forced to deal with the abuser regularly during acess scheduled and agreed to [by parents and by the court.]and has no recourse when he becomes abusive at those times,,and yes police have been called...[ we are still waiting to hear from them as well]follow up???? guess we will have to wait untill something really bad occurs ,then folks will want to know why we didn't see the signs /or do something about it earlier....

Ocean Beach-California wrote: Bingo! Now it's coming together! There's more to this story than meets the eye. When a woman, we'll call, Leslie made a complaint to the police department about the Kings County child protection agency, the police department refused to take the complaint!! NO WONDER - THE CHAIRMAN OF THE BOARD WAS THE POLICE CHIEF!! How convenient is that?? The same thing with Larry and Carline when they made their complaint to the police department, they refused to take it, the same thing with Ali,the police refused to take the complaint. We need an independent audit of the whole child protection business!! What's going on with child protection needs to be unravelled AND NOW! This is no AUDIT! It's nothing more that what should be done by any organization - it's called supervision and it should be done on a regular basis. This smacks of corruption and at the least CONFLICT OF INTEREST. HUM! wonder what the conflict of interest commissioner would be willing to do about this and others like it?

Ocean Beach-California wrote: Hi Folks, Read this when you have the time. Finally someone has got it right! If these children of the sect were abused by the men, then it is the men who need to be apprehended or arrested, NOT THE CHILDREN. The children are the victims and have been traumtized by the very agency put in place to help them. They will need professional help to get over this. The same thing goes on here in Nova Scotia with child protection. This business needs to be looked at for what it is. The theory, if there is a theory, is wrong. The ones that are doing the harm to the children need to be made accountable. What we have here in Nova Scotia for child protection is bringing harm to children. We need to agency to see what is actually happening to the children. Children in our society are acting out with violence and self destructive behaviors as a result of what has happened to them once child protection becomes involved in their lives. This needs to be changed. Child protection needs to be made accountable for the harm they are doing to children and society as a whole. US May 23, 2008 Court Says Texas Illegally Seized Sect's Children

nano wrote:Ocean Beach-California is right on...what we have is government auditing itself...this inherently precludes accountability and conceals the corruption that is pervasive in this department...no doubt Judy Streatch should be terminated from employment as she refuses to acknowledge the problems with the child protection system and is contravening the CFS Act with impunity...

Wednesday, May 07, 2008

36. Auditor General of Canada Exposes Shoddy Childrens Services in First Nations Communities

Auditor General of Canada Exposes Shoddy Childrens Services in First Nations Communities


Except for the numbers and the percentages of children apprehended, what is being exposed concerning inadequate services for children and families to prevent apprehensions is true for most, if not all provincially funded Children Services.

What people are not understanding is that there is a BIG MONEY connected with Children Service. To justify this money, the governments believe they need numerous apprhensions.

In a additions there are numerous other government departments, health services, organizations, and individuals that are getting fat contracts connected with Children Services. In turn, these fat contracts justify the existence of many of these other government entities .

It does not matter to this system whether they permanently take your children, grandchildren, nieces or nephews or if they only have them in the system for 1 1/2 to 2 years, making you fight in the the courts to get them back - It is still feeding the system - And they will go just go after other innocent families once they throw your emotionally scarred children back to you .

We hope the Auditor General's report might be an eye opener to the people of Nova Scotia - AND a

WARNING TO THE GOVERNMENT OF NOVA SCOTIA
We are exposing you
You will be found out
You will be held accountable !


See full list of Canada Auditor General Reports
See full 2008 May Report of the Auditor General of Canada
See Chapter 4 of 2008 May Report of the Auditor General of Canada -First Nations Child and Family Services Program and HERE



Excerpts from 2008 May Report of the Auditor General of Canada, Sheila Fraser:

Indian and Northern Affairs Canada ( INAC ) has little or no idea whether the child welfare services it provides on Canadian reserves actually have any impact on the kids receiving the services. . . . . INAC had little or no idea whether the services it was paying for met provincial standards and has no way to track outcomes to determine what the impact is on the kids receiving the services . . . . . . . . Indian Affairs is using an outdated and inappropriate funding formula which doesn't take into account how many kids need help or what services they should get. . . . . . . . kids on reserves are getting short changed when it comes to child welfare, even though they are far more likely than other Canadian children to need them . . . . . Children on native reserves are eight times more likely to wind up in under-funded, poorly tracked foster care that appears to be failing them, says the auditor general. . . . . . . . Some reserves reported as many as 28 per cent of their kids are in care . . . . . . . . A recent inquest in Manitoba found the Little Grand Rapids First Nation had more than 40 per cent of its kids in foster care. . . . . . . . Between 1997 and 2001, the number of kids in care on reserves jumped 65 per cent to 8,791 from 5,340. It has hovered around the same level since. . . . . . . . There are 8,300 First Nations children from reserves in some form of care as of March 2007, up 55 per cent from 10 years earlier. . . . . . . . . As of the end of March 2007, about 8,300 or five per cent of all native children had been removed from their homes . . . . . . . . inequities in funding and a lack of services available for children, particularly on small remote reserves which often have the highest needs . . . . . . . . . . The over-representation of aboriginaal . . . children in care — and the indications that outcomes are poor — call for all parties involved in the child welfare system to find better ways of meeting these children’s needs. . . . . . . . . In British Columbia, just over half of all children in foster care are aboriginal, yet they comprise just eight per cent of the provincial population. . . . . .Poverty, poor housing and addiction lead more often to neglect in aboriginal cases, though rates of abuse are no higher than in non-native homes, says the report. . . . . . . . Fraser blames the disproportionate numbers in part on a lack of emphasis on prevention. . . . . . . . . There needs to be a renewed effort to keep First Nations youngsters with their families. Child abuse is one reason kids are taken from home, but Fraser found that native children are removed for this reason at about the same rate as non-aboriginals. The main factor driving them into care is neglect – an understandable outcome on reserves where squalid housing, drug and alcohol abuse fuelled by hopelessness, and the burden of perpetual poverty make it so hard to raise a child. Ultimately, the best way to help Canada's most vulnerable children is to ease the dire conditions pushing them into care in the first place. . . . . . . . . Among top concerns is the fact the federal government funds First Nation-delivered services using a formula dating back to 1988. It assumes that a fixed percentage of all communities served by an agency need that help – whether or not the real number is higher or lower. The formula "has not been changed to reflect variations in legislation ... or the actual number of children in care, Its use "has led to inequities. The services are essential to protect these children from abuse or neglect. The over-representation of aboriginal ... children in care – and the indications that outcomes are poor – call for all parties involved in the child welfare system to find better ways of meeting these children's needs." . . . . . We found that 55 of 108 agencies funded by (Indian Affairs) are providing child welfare services to fewer than 1,000 children living on reserve." Those agencies "do not always have the funding [But the sentence before says they were funded by Indian Affairs? ! - So where is all the money going? ] and capacity to provide the required range of child welfare services, and also have difficulties with governance, conflicts of interest, training and management. Many children land in non-native foster care far from their homes as a result. . . . . . . . A child who has been in care is less likely to complete high school than a child who has never been in care. For aboriginal children in care, education results are poorer than for non-aboriginal children in care.

Indian Affairs Minister Chuck Strahl said Ottawa is working on new deals with the provinces and First Nations to put prevention first: "The system that we inherited is not a good system. It’s based on an old model, really, of child apprehension." . . . . . . . . [This has not changed !]


"We knew our kids were being shortchanged," Phil Fontaine, national chief of the Assembly of First Nations, said yesterday after meeting with the Star's editorial board. "We knew the funding formula was outdated. We knew our families and care agencies were not being treated fairly." He expressed hope that Fraser's report will finally result in steps to improve the plight of native kids in care.

Monday, May 05, 2008

35. N.S. Standing Committeee on Community Services

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The N.S. Standing Committeee on Community Services

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We have already enlightened you concerning the multi-party Nova Scotia Human Resources Committee and shown proof from the government hansards what a shoddy job this committe is doing concerning their business of overseeing the appointments to the Advisory committee to Minister of Community Services.

Now , we wish to educate you concerning the multi-party Standing Committeee on Community Services. Again we invite you to read the exerts of the verbatim government hansards of this committee. And we continue to encourage you to contact your MLA and the MLAs cited and make them aware of the fact that we are watching them and we do care. - Please feel free to cut and paste from this article in e-mails to the various MLAs. Find the contact info here: NDP , Liberals, PC .

Also check out the schedule for the Standing Committee on Comunity Services and make your physical presence known . Location: 3rd Floor, Dennis Building1740 Granville Street.

We will begin posting of exerts from this committee with one of the most recent meetings. (Watch for more postings) It is a good example of how the Nova Scotia government bureaucrats twist the facts, with lie rolling so smoothly off their tongues. It is also a good example of how the government controls its committees. Are they so afraid that the committee might actually say something against them that they do not let the committee speak for themselves? Pathetic!

On this day, Tuesday, April 1, 2008, the Minister's Advisory Committee (or so we thought) was to give a presentation to the the multi-party Standing Committeee on Community Services.

This advisory committee is mandated by law to be an annual committee and is suppose to report on the Children and Family Services Act and its implementation. Because this committee had not existed since 1996, 2 advocates took the Minister to court to force him to follow the law (Section 88 of the Children and Family Serives Act) It has been more than 2 years now (NOT the legally mandated 1 year) and NO report has been made ! The appointments to this committee have been a sham and we have already established that it has functioned illegally for months on end when the full mandated appointments were not made !

So now we're thinking, this Advisory Committee is going to make a presentation to the multi-party Standing Committeee on Community Services. Imagine our surprise when we realize that not one member of the Advisory Committee is making the presentation ! - It is the usual government bureaucRATSs : Judith Ferguson and George Savoury (very unsavory! ) - the very people the committee should be critical against if it was indeed doing its job !

And then, we got the inside scoop ! The chair of the Minister's Advisory Committee, Cheryl Harowitz, was not even aware, before hand, from this government, that these bureaucRATS were making this presentation on behalf of the committee. Well you could have knocked me over with a feather !

So listen up - comments are in square brackets :

[How apt: April Fools Day - the government must take us for fools to believe their beaurocRATS ]
Committee Room 1
Department of Community Services, Re: Children & Family Services Act Advisory Committee
United Way of Halifax, Re: Provincial 211 Information Line
Printed and Published by Nova Scotia Hansard Reporting Services

In Attendance:
Ms. Charlene Rice -Legislative Committee Clerk
[and members of the public ! ]

WITNESSES
Department of Community Services:
Ms. Judith Ferguson, Deputy Minister
Mr. George Savoury, Executive Director - Family and Community Supports

United Way of Halifax Region:
Ms. Catherine Woodman, President & CEO
Mr. Terry Norman, Chair, 211 Nova Scotia Steering Committee
Mr. Robert Wright [NOT the Robert Wright of Advisory Committee infamay ! ]
Program Manager, 211 Nova Scotia
Mr. Chris Keevill, Chair, United Way of Halifax Region Board of Directors

HALIFAX, TUESDAY, APRIL 1, 2008
STANDING COMMITTEE ON COMMUNITY SERVICES




1:00 P.M.
CHAIRMAN
Ms. Marilyn More

MADAM CHAIRMAN [Marilyn More] : If I could have your attention, please. We understand our fifth member is on his way so, rather than lose any more time, I'm going to suggest that we start the meeting and have the presentation and we can start questions. You only really need a quorum for any motions or votes. We have a lot of witnesses and resource people here today and I don't want to waste any more of your time, so thank you for your patience.

I'll now call the Standing Committee on Community Services to order. My name is Marilyn More and I'm the committee chairman. We'll start with introductions and you may realize it's unusual, but what we've done is we've piggy-backed two topics together today, so each group will have approximately 50 minutes to present and answer questions.

The committee has a little business to do at the end, so we want to finish before 3:00 p.m. to allow us that time.

The first topic is on the Children and Family Services Act Advisory Committee and our second topic is the Provincial 211 Information Line. So we'll start with introductions.
[The committee members introduced themselves.]

MADAM CHAIRMAN: So, Deputy, we're very pleased to have you here today, and Mr. Savoury, so perhaps you could give us the presentation. I just want to remind committee members that the latest presentation is the one that was on your desk in front of you when you arrived. The one that was sent out by e-mail, you may want to just discard it - this is the revised version.
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MS. JUDITH FERGUSON [government bureaucrat]: Thanks, Madam Chairman. As we spoke briefly before the meeting, I'm going to give some very preliminary opening comments and then George has a few minutes just to give a very brief slide presentation, an overview, just to set the legislative framework and to talk briefly about what we're going to discuss this afternoon.

I believe that I know most of you. I'm Judith Ferguson and I have the privilege of being the Deputy Minister of Community Services. I'm pleased to be here today. I have a number of representatives from the department here, both to provide assistance if necessary and, as I've said before, I'm extremely fortunate to work with an exceptional team of people.
I have one of those with me, and that's George Savoury, who I think is no stranger to all of you. Rather than go through his extensive bio, given that we were recently here - as you know, George is the Executive Director of Family and Community Supports but he also brings an additional piece to the table today in that he actually has been a member of some past advisory committees. He actually has experience from sitting on a committee, which I think will be helpful as we go through our discussions today.

While we are talking about the advisory committee this afternoon, I would like to take the opportunity to start off by talking a bit about the complex nature of child welfare and child protection. As all of you know, child welfare staff are exceptional people who work in what is probably one of the most difficult fields that we have. I would personally like to acknowledge and thank them for the challenging and stressful nature of the work they do. We serve approximately 16,000 children and families at any given time in Nova Scotia and there are approximately 2,000 children in the care of the province. This includes a number of care arrangements: temporary care, temporary care and custody, and permanent care and custody. Approximately 70 per cent of the children in permanent care and custody are under the age of 10.

The management of child protection in this province is very much child focused, and I think that's important and I think as we have an opportunity to answer questions today from you, we'll have an opportunity to look into that in a little more detail. While we recognize how difficult and stressful that is for parents and families to have child welfare intervention, ultimately our number-one priority and responsibility is to ensure the safety and well-being of children and youth in this province. Sometimes, under 8 per cent of the time, that means removing a child or children from the home.

Under the Children and Family Services Act, the minister is required to establish an advisory committee to review the provisions of the Act and related services. The Act calls for annual appointments to the committee and annual reporting to the minister concerning the operation of the Act and whether the principles and purpose of the Act are being achieved. [Too bad the government ignored this for a decade and had to be forced by court action to get this committee going again ! ] The committee is responsible to review the Act and make recommendations to the minister in areas of adoption, child welfare, foster care and other related services under the Act.

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The expectation of this committee is to maintain a high level of integrity [integrity? Hah ! ] due to the very sensitive nature of the information that the committee may hear. For example, often members hear guest speakers who may have had direct experience with child welfare so there is the need to be respectful and highly confidential of that information.

[1:15 p.m.]
Appointments to the committee include - and George will get into this in a bit more detail, because this is regulated by Statute - two people whose children have been or are or may be in need of protective services; a representative from a child welfare agency; a representative of the minister; a legal aid lawyer; two people drawn from the cultural, racial or linguistic minority communities; and three other representatives as determined by the minister. [Looks pretty loaded to me - where is the balance for people who are critical of this government ? ]

I certainly acknowledge - and I'm sure we'll have an opportunity to discuss in more detail today - the fact that there have been challenges with the appointment process and the preparation of annual reports to the minister. In regard to the appointment process there have been recruitment issues. The membership of the committee is defined in the Act and is intended to reflect the community we serve. The requirements of the Act attempt to ensure that the committee is diverse and reflective of the interests of stakeholders [ in actuality this term means the people making money from the operation of CS, or the people protecting the people making the money] in the community at large. It has proven to be challenging on occasion to find appropriate candidates.

Secondly, the Act is a highly regulated piece of legislation to protect the safety and security of Nova Scotia children and youth. So the review of the Act should not be in a piecemeal approach, but rather it should be in a holistic manner as to not compromise the intent of any given piece or part of the Act.

To date, the minister has received four advisory committee reports [ this is NOT correct- We have done the research - There are only two : 1993 and 1996 ] and will receive a fifth report in the very near future. While government has not made changes to the legislation since we've received these reports, I'm very pleased to say that we have made a number of policy and regulatory changes that have been recommended by the various committees. I also feel I should say that a number of [not all] the recommendations that have been made in the past by the various committees have not required legislative change, so they are things we can do by policy, or by regulation. Certainly those are easier to make and we can make them on a far quicker basis.

A few examples of this are: we have built recognition of cultural, racial and linguistic factors into case planning training and policy, [We are aware of home access visitations that were denied because of cultural insensitivity ] that was from the 1993 report; we implemented secure treatment by opening the Wood Street Centre, which was raised in the 1993 and 1996 reports. In the 1996 report, it was recommended to offer services to promote the integrity of the family [First of all this is IN the ACT - This is the SERVICES in the Children and Family SERVICES Act . This is LAW ! The problem is this part of the act has always been ignored and is habitually ignored to this day - We are aware of families that had to arrange their own services, even after they were court ordered and the CS was expected to provide these services] and we hired a new category of staff, called family support workers, and placed them in all agencies and offices.

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We eliminated fees associated with the Adoption Disclosure Program [Nova Scotia has been cited by the United Nations for our lack of disclosure and our secretiveness in regards to adoptions] that came from 1999, and we fund multiple community-based prevention programs across the province. That also was a recommendation from the 1999 report.

We look forward to working with members of the current Advisory Committee and I should say very much that the department values very much the work, dedication and commitment that all of the members of the advisory committees over the years have brought to the department. Obviously sometimes these are difficult discussions - people donate their time to us, they've taken the process extremely seriously and we know have done their best to come up with recommendations that will benefit children and families. That's certainly an encouraging and important thing.

In closing, Madam Chairman, I'd like to thank you and the committee for the opportunity to discuss the committee and also the very important work that's done in our child welfare sector. I would like to thank, as I have all of the members of the committee past and present, and certainly all members of the department and the child welfare agencies who deliver child welfare work on a daily basis. We are always looking for ways to improve our services and programs in the department and both George and I look forward to speaking with you today and to providing you with more specific information in relation to your questions. Thank you very much.
With that, Madam Chairman, I'll turn it over to George for a few minutes just to go through his presentation.


MR. GEORGE SAVOURY [government bureaucrat]: : Thank you, Judith. I'll probably skip over some things that I think may have been covered. Basically the authority for the Act comes out of Section 88(1) and it's to really advise on the operations of the Act and services related to it.

Judith has already covered the makeup of the committee and there is a screening selection process and there's a departmental screening committee and they screen only for qualifications. Then candidates are presented to Executive Council for approval.
As you know, there's an all-Party Standing Committee on Human Resources, which is the committee for final approval. We place advertisements twice a year in various newspapers and on Eastlink Channel 8 for members. That's for all the different committees, as you know within government. [Blaa-blaa-blaa-blaa-blaa- These bureaucRATS are just filling up the time with basic nothingness ! They are NOT saying anything of value - like the presentations made - what did they learn ? etc etc ]

I thought I'd just put up this slide because a perennial recommendation of the committees thus far has been that one year is inadequate for them to really do their job, for someone to get on a committee, get familiar with the Act, seek input and then try and get a report done within a 12-month period. If you ever had a chance to read previous reports, they will tell you that that is really an unrealistic expectation.

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I thought I'd just show you a few others, if you see the Law Reform Commission of Nova Scotia, it's three years and the Board of Examiners in Psychology it's three and the Gaming Corporation it's five.

The other thing about the business we're in is that it really can't be looked at in isolation of other developments and committees will frequently spend time discussing child poverty and the impact of poverty on children and families. So the work of the social prosperity framework, the Nunn Commission Report, of course, is solely focused on children and youth and needing supports for children and families. You had the pleasure of Robert Wright [This is the Robert Wright who was actually appointed to the Minister's Advisory Committee in the parent category, until it was exposed by advocates and the media that his appointment was another inappropriate appointment to this committee because he was a "government man" not a parent as determined by the act - See Stephen Kimers article: Wright the Wrong man for the Job . After he was exposed, he jumped ship and resigned BUT was then appointed to head the Youth strategy committee -proving the point that he was indeed a government man ] being at one of your committees where he talked about the strategy and the pilots that are being rolled out as part of that, and of course the report, Our Kids Are Worth It, and also one of Commissioner Nunn's recommendations was that there be a greater focus in government on prevention services and that led to the creation of the Family and Youth Services section in the Department of Community Services.

Most of the committee's recommendations have been more on service improvements, if you had a chance to look at previous reports, rather than legislative changes. There probably would be something wrong with a piece of legislation that should be annually revised - someone would probably tell you that it's not a very good piece of legislation if you've got to be annually revising it.

All Acts at some point require tweaking or amendments and I'm sure at some point government will make some changes to the Act as part of its legislative agenda. As Judith said, we see children and we see families and youth at their best and we see families going through the most difficult times, when children are abused physically, sexually or emotionally. Unfortunately there are times we have to bring children into care to protect them, which leads obviously to criticisms of the agencies and staff. Unfortunately it's part of their job that we expect them to do under the Act.

The other thing I should point out, of course, is that our Act is very stringent in that if we do take a child into care we have to be in court within five days to have our decision sanctioned and a very tight review process as part of the court process. So thank you, Madam Chairman, and members of the committee.


MADAM CHAIRMAN: Thank you. So we'll start our first round of questions on this topic. Who would like to go first? Trevor.

MR. TREVOR ZINCK: I'll open up. Thank you, Madam Chairman. You can cut me off when you feel I've had too much time and then I'll continue on after.

I want to thank the staff for coming out and I also want to take the time to recognize the efforts of all staff who come in contact with children who are either at risk or are in our care. It's a huge responsibility. I know that currently there's probably a crisis right now
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within the system of qualified social workers who aren't under stress, dealing with some issues that they have to. So I want to commend them for their efforts.

That being said, it's a huge responsibility that we're taking on. I know for the last two years this committee has been of some concern of mine, and my Party's as well. Deputy, you stated that the last report that actually came out of this, you quoted several years - 1993, 1996 and 1999. In 2005 Graham Steele had actually taken the department to court to have this committee re-instituted. [NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-Would someone like to look up the court documents ! - 2 advocates: Linda Youngson and Marilyn Dey approached Graham Steele to take this to court - He was their lawyer ONLY - It is NOT that these women want Kudos for this. BUT it is important that people understand that there are knowledgable, well educated and credible grassroots advocates fighting for a better system for our families and children - Both of these ladies are well educated, with 3 and 4 university degrees each] It has been, but I know for a fact that the last number of years - and I know the minister does as well and the lines of questioning through budgetary processes - that I am concerned that this has been an inactive committee.

So I guess my first question would be, has there actually been a report come from this committee, of recommendations for change, since 2005, or in the last year and a half?


MR. SAVOURY [government bureaucrat]: There has been a committee operating. The judge basically required that our minister have the committee up and running as a result of the court action by that December, which we met. [That is NOT correct - All members were not appointed until February and then there has been a merry-go round of people jumping off then long periods without the legally required members being appointed]

I should say that despite the advertisements that go out in the newspapers, not everyone watches these advertisements. We probably see them but not everybody is looking to be a member of this committee. In fact it's not uncommon that even for the positions on the committee that you'd think someone might apply for, I could pick a lawyer from Nova Scotia Legal Aid as one of the requirements. Well, it often means us having to phone Legal Aid and probably make a number of calls to see if there's someone who could be prevailed upon to make themselves available to serve on the committee.

What we learned from the court action that was initiated was that we really need people in all of the categories. [ This is mandated by LAW ! ] We strive for that, sometimes it can take a period of time to have a fully functioning committee. But anyway, the committee has been up and running since that order [Not legally when the mandated members are NOT ALL appointed ! ] and they've been meeting regularly [illegally] and we're expecting a final report any day now from that committee.

MR. ZINCK: How many vacancies are on the committee as of to date?

MR. SAVOURY [government bureaucrat]: : There are three vacancies [He then goes on to cite 4 vacancies - But to clarify: 3 cited are mandatory while the 4th , referred to as "general" is NOT mandatory. This one member is 1 of 3 who can be appointed by the Minister and is used to stack the committee even more for the government ] .

MR. ZINCK: What positions would they fall under, as far as the membership requirements?

MR. SAVOURY [government bureaucrat]: One would be a general member, in terms of which the minister can determine; there's a provision for three members at the end of the list, as you saw. We have one vacancy from a parent and two from the cultural-racial-linguistic - however, one
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of the members who served a term has reapplied to be on that committee. So we have two going through the process now to be reappointed.

MR. ZINCK: Okay, we obviously know there's a problem with recruitment for this committee and, again, I want to compliment those who have come out and sat. Some of the stories that you do hear, it's very difficult. However, we know that there is an issue, so I think one of the things we have to do is maybe readdress or try to figure out how we can get into a better form of advertising to those parents, those two positions that are filled by parents.

It is so crucial that the minister have feedback coming from parents. Maybe it's somebody in the foster care system who has benefited and maybe wants to tell their story, so we can learn from that. What it seems like is that we haven't really actively gone out and sought out people to hear their stories. I know when the committee was first struck a year and a half ago, there were people who were actually turned down because they weren't allowed to present. They were allowed to make a written submission, but they weren't allowed to present. I think we have to do a much better job at that.

Now, the other problem with this, as well, is that parents who have been affected, whether positively or negatively, don't know when these committees are meeting. How does that get advertised? How do they know that there is a voice, other than the MLA's office, that is willing to listen to their cases and take their concerns forward to the department? How does that happen? [And Mr Zinck has done a lot of work - not only listening to people but rollong up his sleeves and helping in a really practical way ! Great work Tevor! ]

MR. SAVOURY [government bureaucrat]: Well, we give the committee - as you could see in the terms of reference, they have tremendous scope. They invite organizations to present, they've often done surveys, they've advertised in the newspapers that they're open to feedback. We've had committees that have travelled to different parts of the province . . .
[1:30 p.m.]

MR. ZINCK: This particular committee?

MR. SAVOURY: We've never placed - not that there's an inordinate amount of money where we live, but we've never said there aren't funds to go to different places or for advertising. So the committee has considerable discretion and always the committee, when it makes its report, we're always struck by the large number of submissions and how they reached out.

Like any committee, there's always room for improvement, but we basically let the chairman and the members shape how they're going to get information. They have full and open discourse in what they're going to recommend. [ Number one: - this is a pro-government stacked committee. Number 2: The committee chair did not even know the bureaucRATS were making this presentation - This does not sound like a government that trusts this committee to give it discretion !]

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But it is a challenge to fill, as you point out, some of the positions on the committee. We've actually tried different things over the years. We've approached family resource centres and said, well, maybe if two parents from the ones who are involved with the centre, maybe where they know each other, they feel more comfortable, it's not so intimidating. At our level we wouldn't have known who the parents were, which was great. We said, could we call the agency and said, could you approach the centre and see if families would apply?

There's a further issue, as well, that I should mention. The names, when they go before the Human Resources Committee, become public and we've had folks - actually parents - who have decided to withdraw when we notified them and said, by the way, this afternoon your name may become public and your resumé.

[This is the VAN Zoost debacle: See the Hansard for Human Resources Committee: Tuesday, October 25, 2005, November 29, 2005, December 13, 2005, February 28, 2006, - This was the government attempting to appoint a personal friend of the Minister (David Morse) and a government man that ran for the party into the parent category - Tell the whole truth Mr Un-Savoury ! ]

With the professional folks, I don't really think it's an issue, like the lawyers with legal aid. But when we let parents know that, they've said, please remove my application. [That was Van Zoost . He resigned when the shame of his appointment was exposed by advocates and the media - Tell the whole truth Mr Un-Savoury !]

MR. ZINCK: That's because it's public knowledge who they are?

MR. SAVOURY: That's correct, when it goes before the Human Resources Committee.

MR. ZINCK: Okay, I can submit two names right now who are willing to go and they have full qualifications. Who would I submit that to - would it be the standing committee?

MR. SAVOURY [government bureaucrat]: There's a Web site and they can apply on-line or in writing to the Office of Executive Council and it's all there.

MS. FERGUSON [government bureaucrat]: It's the same process for all non-adjudicative boards, so it's the exact same process. So the application process is there, it's all on-line for people to apply.

MR. ZINCK: So this committee is up and running, fully functional, meeting on a regular basis?

MR. SAVOURY [government bureaucrat]: That's correct, yes. They probably meet every three to four weeks, and in some cases they meet as frequently as weekly to get their report done.

[BUT, without the full legally mandated members - this is not a legal committee ! ! ! ! ! ]

MR. ZINCK: I'll end on this, if I can. I actually had the opportunity to sit in, as you're probably aware, on some of the most recent presentations. Part of the problem that I had with what had taken place was the fact that the only members on the committee who were there were representing the minister or the department. As a presenter coming in - actually two of the ladies who were presenting had their former social workers there, so you can imagine the frustration with them feeling that they had nobody else who would or could support them, knowing what their social workers had said in the past. It's crucial - I don't know what we have to do but we have to do a better job.

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I have cases coming from the U.S., people contacting me now, who have been affected by our system here. How do they get their stories heard? Who do they reach out to? We're less than one million in this province and we have 2,000 kids in care - that's more than the Province of Ontario. It's important that we take the steps to get this committee up and running.[properly and legally] It has been a frustration of mine for the last year and a half and I'll continue to question it until we get a full committee, until we actually get a report that would have been useful in adopting and looking at it for the Child and Youth Strategy. That would have been an important piece to see, but when we see a report that we haven't - well, since 1999, [ 1996 ! ]I guess. This committee is part of the Act and it is important that we have regular reports.
I think the term thing has to be frustrating for the chairman to coordinate all of this and feel like they can reach out and do all these things and use the monies necessary to go hear the people. But if we don't have the commitment of actually putting the effort forward to have this important committee put together, we're not going to really get the true answers.


MS. FERGUSON [government bureaucrat]: : You're right but I think some of the challenges that you've raised, which are very legitimate concerns, are pieces that we need to look at in terms of the bigger picture about what is the best way to provide input into the Act. The term issue is clearly - I mean, I think they're symptoms of a bigger piece and I think now, because of the work we have going on, it's not just good enough for us to look in terms of the Act. We need to look at it in terms of the youth strategy and the work that we're doing more collaboratively across government [what is being said here is pushing out the importance of this Advisory committee that is suppose to include parents as members and presenters and focusing on inside government-only committees] to say, what does that mean for child welfare and how do we look at that as a system.

I think there are a couple of wonderful things that have happened in terms of that work, that we now have an opportunity to say okay, this is an opportunity, so how do we look at the role of that committee? What does it mean in terms of the Act, what is the way to get the best input into change, the most meaningful input that helps everybody really move forward? I'm hopeful that if we're able to take on some of those bigger pieces, that some of those challenges you've mentioned should be addressed. That would be my hope.

MR. ZINCK: Thank you.

MADAM CHAIRMAN: Manning.

MR. MANNING MACDONALD [LIB - former Childre's Aid worker ] : Thank you, Madam Chairman. I've been scribbling some comments down here. First of all I'd like to echo the comments of my friend in the NDP and welcome you here today. There are some comments I would like to make and perhaps, if you want to react to them, that's fine and if not, that's fine too.

I believe the term issue is one that should be of concern to all of us. I believe, as you do, that terms are too short for an important committee like this.

[Did anyone ever think that this short term may have been deliberately implemented to attempt to safeguard the proper appointment of members to this committee - Perhaps the writers of this legislation, foresaw the possibility of the shananigans we are seeing with this government - not appointing people who have a voice and view different than this government's and NOT properly appointing people in the parent category etc etc etc, - The appointments are annual. So every year the whole appointment system, including the multi-party Human Resources Committee ( link HERE to see how they have continually bungled their responsibility ) have another chance to make it right - and every year the public has a chance to try to make this system accountable - We do not want to see this committee, which is so import, continue for years with only inside government supporting appointments, and people who do not truely represent the parent category with no recourse to attempt to have correct and have proper appointments. ]

If the people who would aspire to be on that committee have any hope of making any meaningful changes or making
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any legislation changes that might be appropriate, they simply don't have the time to do that with their mandate. I would also tell you that it would probably be fair to say there is not a stampede of people out there wanting to get on this committee and the reasons for that are many, I guess.

[Yes there is ! We are aware of qualified people who have applied . The government just will not allow anyone who is qualified but critical to be on this committee - Including this writer who has been told the qualifications are met , has applied several times and is contunually/deliberatley overlooked ! - If this government has nothing to hide, why does this government work so hard keeping these people off the committee - For one thing , they are afraid that these people will glean more evidence of the corruption of this committe and this government - Hang your head in shame all you members who know this to be true but take up membership on this committee because this government has proactively sought you out and you take up the position because you think it will look good on your CV/ résumé. ]

One of the things is the whole idea of liability issues when it comes to children's welfare in this province and the legal issues surrounding that.

I believe that people get scared away when they figure they might be in the firing line of some intrepid lawyers who are trying to make a case for a particular situation and are aiming their guns at board members about, it's their fault this is not working because of policies. [ Excellent idea ! Someone should be doing this ! - Any takers? ] I think a lot of people may be scared off by that. They are certainly not wanting to get on that committee for the money, I can tell you that. So those who do want to get on it, I suggest to you, are very dedicated people in the first place. [Read insert in previous paragraph - Hang your head in shame . . . ] It is of less concern to me who appoints them than it is to have people who are actually wanting to get on the committee because of their sincere interest in what's going on surrounding the whole question of the Children and Family Services Act.

I'm sure Nova Scotians, not unlike any other place, unless a problem concerns you personally with your own children and that, you tend not to want to know what is going on with somebody else's children. You have some people who like to feel they're engaged but most people are saying, I have enough problems in my own household, I don't need to know about somebody else's. Therein lies a lot of the problems that you deal with in Children and Family Services.

The people on the front lines, and I speak from some experience having spent 10 years in Community Services at the municipal level - Social Services it was called in the grand old days of the 1970s - I found that one of the hardest things I had to do as a municipal social service worker was to report activity in a family to the Children's Aid Society, in those days. That was really heart-wrenching because of the fact that you knew what was going to happen after that. The social workers would then take an active role in the family's day-to-day matters and would then become involved in the family directly and then it was a consultative process between myself and our other workers, in this case, in the City of Sydney and the CAS regarding a particular family. That is very traumatic for a family when you have agencies sitting down discussing the future of your children, really. So it was very difficult.

I figured at that time burnout was around 10 years - for me, it lasted nine and then I went on to much easier jobs like the Mayor of Sydney and a provincial Cabinet Minister. I tell you, it was very much an experience that I wouldn't want to go through again. The reason I'm saying that, deputy minister, is that I have a great deal of respect for child protection workers and those who work in the community services field, particularly those who are out there because there are liability issues, there are judgment calls and the social workers have to, in this day and age, balance that off with their desire to see the best possible outcome for the children that they're serving. That is a very delicate line and I am not one who is going
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to heap criticism on the department in that regard at all because I know people who have been there. I have siblings who are social workers and one of them is working for the CAS right now in Ontario and she's having some difficulties up there with her role to the point that she's thinking about retiring because it is just getting to her. So I have a great deal of respect for them and from that point of view, you're in the public eye all the time.

I can recall particularly the CAS in Cape Breton with the recent publicity surrounding some cases in the Children's Aid Society in Cape Breton and what a traumatic experience that has been for everybody involved, not the least of which are the social workers who have been involved in those cases. I say cases because there has been more than one and that is inevitably going to happen in this kind of business that we're in.

I just want to say that I wish your social workers well as they continue to do their job on behalf of Nova Scotians and certainly any support that I can give the department in that regard I will certainly try to do my best on that. There aren't any people, Deputy, knocking down my door wanting me to support them to get on this committee, [this is NOT correct - we are aware of 2 women - the 2 women who took this government to court to get this committee up and running because the government had been ignoring the law to do so - these woman e-mailed ALL MLAs concerning their wish to be on this committee and how they were continually being overlooked despite the fact that they had been informed through their lawyer that the executive committee had verified to their lawyer that they were qualifies] I'll tell you that, and that's unfortunate but that's exactly the way it is. With those few comments, if you want to comment back to me, fine, but I don't really have any questions other than that.


MADAM CHAIRMAN: Do you want to respond in any way?


MR. SAVOURY [government bureaucrat]: I think I would concur with the comments - it is a very difficult business, as we've said earlier. We're fortunate in our province in terms of the calibre of staff we have working. The other thing I should point out is that of the reports we've received, the recommendations have not been ignored by any means. The 1996 report [This was the LAST report because this was the last time there had been a Advisory committee, despite the fact this committee was to be, BY LAW, an annual committee ] recommended secure care, which is now a reality. There were recommendations for a child advocate and, instead of doing that, we engaged in discussions with the Ombudsman's Office and, in 1999, set up a specific section dealing with children and youth whereby the Ombudsman visits Wood Street regularly and gives us a report and their staff meet independently with youth there to hear their issues and concerns. [ click HERE , HERE and HERE to see what a poor job the Ombudsman's office is doing informing our children of their rights and protecting our children]

The whole issue of 16 to 18 years of age is one of great debate right across the country as to what should be the age of a child. [the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child states under 18] Most of the reports have struggled with that and if you go across the country you'll find some provinces, like Ontario, where it's 16 and if you go to B.C. it's 19, so we're no different. But we have done things that make a big difference - we can extend care up to age 19 and actually to 21 for health and education reasons. We now go up to 24 to cover all the tuition, books and accommodations for a child in care to complete their post-secondary. [ VERY-VERY- VERY - VERY - VERY few children in "CARE" go to university of college - most age out without finishing highschool with no skills to financially support themselves ] We have the best program in the country in that we're the only province in the country that set a workload standard for social workers and we believe our staff are pretty much at that level pretty consistently or below. We've added additional staff, so we have made improvements.

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One of the reports recommended that we make legislative amendments around the rights of children and youth in care. While we didn't put it in the Act, we did develop a booklet for youth when they come into care - and I'll leave copies for the members - which we require all youth in care to get a copy of so they know their rights and responsibilities. [Note: the word is "youth" - there is NO mention of CHILDREN being informed of their rights ] I could keep going but we do study the reports carefully and look at what we can do to act on them.

[1:45 p.m.]
I think we're fortunate that the committee has been up and running and I know Trevor's earlier comments about people [NOT] showing up and you don't see the full committee is a concern. I'm sure the chair of the committee would always make sure members know when they met for presentations I'm sure the chair of the committee would always make sure members know when meetings are taking place, but I would suspect many of these people could have other jobs, or they're parents or volunteers. They're not always able to show up at the meetings, which is unfortunate. We cover travel costs - the committee has money to cover travel. They get a small per diem for the days they sit as a member [WAY below the average $100 per diam ], but I'm sure it is not for the $45 a day that they choose to join this committee. We've covered babysitting if there are child care issues, but it's still a struggle.

[We did hear from some committee members that they had been waiting months for their out-of-pocket expenses for being on this committee to be reimbursed - We also witnessed their lunch being canceled, behind their backs, without the chair being informed before hand - And what about this low per diem? - When members are treated with such disrespect, why should they show up? We have to ask, is this a deliberate move on the part of the government, to discourage participation? ]

We will keep the committee going, it meets even when they don't have a quorum and they haven't defined what is a quorum , which is probably good in many respects or maybe they would even cancel more meetings.[ Yes they have a quoraum ! ! - We asked what the quorum for this committee was and we were told by the chair of the Advisory Committee, herself, Cheryl Harawitz, that the quorum was 8 ! - how convenient that the chair did not even know these beaurocRATS were even making this presentation on behalf of her committee - so she could not be there to correct deliberate inaccuracies ! ! ! ! ! ! WE demand that the quorum be honored and applied! ]


MS. FERGUSON [government bureaucrat]: Madam Chairman, if I could just add one quick one for a second. I just wanted to thank the member for his comments because I think, again, it speaks to the fact that the challenge is to ensure that we get meaningful input into the legislation from the people we need to hear from in a way that makes sure the department is hearing everything it needs to hear. [ No records were made of the many presentations that were critical of Children Services and the government - So where are these voices? - These are voices that are "needed"] While we're doing our best under these current circumstances, it's something that we are considering, appointment times and the rotation of that obviously is part of that. But I think his comments reflect the fact that it's something we need to be thinking about and I just want to assure people that we are thinking about it. The other thing is, I appreciate his comments very much about our staff. Unfortunately, in terms of child welfare, what most members of the public hear about child welfare are the most difficult cases. Obviously the department can't comment on those cases.

Our staff do incredible work on a daily basis and there are lots of wonderful, good, positive things every day that happen in child welfare that obviously we hear about but obviously those aren't the things, unfortunately, that people hear about on a daily basis. I do just want to say that our staff work incredibly hard and go above and beyond every day to do everything they can to make sure that children stay with their families. [We know this NOT to be true!] Now unfortunately, that's not always possible, but certainly that is where their best efforts are made and there are very positive things going on in child welfare every day right across the province. Thank you, Madam Chairman.

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MADAM CHAIRMAN [ Marilyn More -NDP]: Thank you. I do want to speak on this. Keith, do you want to ask any questions? No. Would you mind taking the Chair then please?
[1:48 p.m. Mr. Keith Colwell took the Chair.]

MR. CHAIRMAN: How long have you got? (Laughter)

MS. MARILYN MORE [NDP] : If I need it, 10 minutes, and then we probably should wrap up and go on to the next topic.

I'm glad you're here, and welcome. I think one of the reasons that this topic was added to our agenda is not because we want to criticize staff or programming or whatever. We realize that this advisory committee has an important function in our province. I know certainly our caucus [NDP] feels that it has to have a much higher priority in terms of functioning well and openly.

I don't think there's one MLA in this province who wouldn't say that the most heart-rending issues that ever face them, in terms of their workload, are the child welfare stories and issues that come into our offices and through our critic areas. Some of the stories, you lose sleep over them because they're such dilemmas that there's no right answer. I think we all understand how complex these issues are, how emotional and personal they are, and there are many sides to every issue. I mean, you hear one story and you sort of peel away the layers and you get more and more information and you have absolutely no idea what to recommend as next steps to the people involved.

I think that's one reason this advisory committee is so important, because it's the symbol, I think, to a lot of families in this province that the department is open to changes and improvements based on the best interests of the children in their care. Unless we have a fully functioning, operational committee that is sort of user-friendly for the people on it and user-friendly for the people who want to be heard by it, we're missing out, I think, on an opportunity to make things better for children in care in particular, and also other people covered under this Act.

I'm not going to lecture you on how to make a committee more welcoming. I mean there are people in this province with experience who, I think, can help with that process. We have to make that process work. I don't think there's anyone involved with child welfare who doesn't admit that there have to be some significant systemic changes and improvements.

The Nunn inquiry report, I mean it listed all sorts of gaps in services and failures along the way. When you read the HRM reports on homelessness, they talk a lot about how many of the homeless on the streets of HRM are previously youth who used to be in the care of the department. Now, I'm not saying the department has caused this, but these are youth with extreme challenges and they obviously need more help than they are currently getting.

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Now, I sometimes wonder, too, about to what extent we've taken seriously the recommendations from earlier committees because I know when I first got elected, one of the first topics in front of this committee was the Wood Street Centre. It seemed that the original recommendation was for secure treatment there and it has turned into a facility that's providing emergency care, not treatment. So I think there are some serious gaps that the department officials have to be looking at, that all relate back to this advisory committee.

How much of a priority is it? Actually, we're regulated to have it so where is the accountability in terms of how well it's functioning and this lost opportunity not to be using it to improve things? I mean, how can we rationalize the spotty existence it's had over the last 10, 13 years?

MS. FERGUSON [government bureaucrat]: I'll start and then maybe George can jump in. There's no question that there have been challenges around the committee. I think, though, the fact now and certainly since my time in the department, the amount of effort that has been put into appointments, reappointments, advertising, finding people to sit on the committee, has certainly been at the level - at that point I was the assistant deputy minister - that I was well aware of it. I was involved, the deputy minister was aware of it, and George's staff and other staff in our department have made great efforts. Now, not always perfect and you can always say that we could have done more, but certainly it's been a priority and there have been significant efforts, I would say.

George had the advertising up earlier, I mean we've tried to advertise in newspapers and other places, like Street Feat, like the Mi'kmaq community. We've really tried to make some inroads to try to get some candidates specifically to the areas that we're looking at and we've tried to advertise in a way and get the word out in a way, and though our network, too, in the department, that will hopefully attract candidates. So that's a challenge.

We've made some steps forward, I think, and we can look at that again. There's no question that things like the yearly appointment process - and all of you are certainly aware that the appointment process in and of itself, in terms of just getting people through, we're working on that, as well, in terms of just making sure from a timeline perspective that we're there. But if we didn't have to go through that on a yearly basis, certainly I think that would be an advantage.
The other thing that I'm glad you raised is, you brought up the Nunn piece and you brought up some of the bigger challenges in terms of not just this department but I would say that government has or that as Nova Scotians we have, in terms of challenges with our youth. I think it's important that however we move forward, this Act is a piece and child welfare is a piece of a system that includes our colleagues in Justice and Education and Health, and I think when Commissioner Nunn was looking at that what he said is there needs to be much better coordination.

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So I think what's also important is to say, what is the child welfare role in that? How do we maximize and leverage all of our other colleagues and our programs across the system to make sure we're doing it in a way that provides a continuum of services for children, that we're maximizing the services available, and that there isn't a navigation problem in terms of being able to access services from a number of different departments? The discussions we've been having - having the social prosperity framework has provided us with the opportunity to have with our staff really exciting discussions of being able to say, okay, what are the kinds of services that child, that family, that community needs? What are the kinds of ways that we, as a government, need to deliver services to that child or to that family? They shouldn't have to worry necessarily which department the services are coming from. They need to ensure that they're able to get the services.

So as we look at reviewing child welfare and the services that are provided under child welfare, I think it's incumbent on me and on us, in Community Services, to say if we're taking the approach that Commissioner Nunn and the social prosperities now provide us with the opportunity to take - to take it on a broader scale. My hope would be that we're actually providing enhanced services, and in a way that's better, and that as civil servants we're doing it with our colleagues in the various departments and we're actually looking at the services.

To quote my colleague from the Department of Education, he would say in government, unfortunately, we all have part of a child. Sometimes they're working with Education, they're working with Justice, they're working with Health, maybe they're working with us. So it's our responsibility to say what the services are that we provide to that child and do it in a way that makes sense for that child and that family.

Now, we are not there yet and that's not going to happen overnight, but we're having some very exciting discussions around how to do that in a much better way. So I think this Act, the committee, the role it plays and it needs to be a priority - I agree with you on that - needs to be put in that context so that when we get feedback from that committee, it's on that broader context.

MR. CHAIRMAN: Order, please. You're over your 10 minutes now, if you want to . . .

MS. MORE: Can I just close then?

MR. CHAIRMAN: Sure.

MS. MORE [NDP] : I agree with the big picture issues that you've talked about but I think some of the stated challenges for the committee, the length of term, they're a bit of a red herring in a way because I think you can make this committee welcoming and fully functioning by making it a less intimidating process. If the Children and Family Services Act isn't an important or critical piece of this new vision of where we're going in this
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comprehensive range of programming, then there's something seriously wrong.
So I think to most Nova Scotians who are interested or involved in these issues, that this advisory committee is seen as a symbol of how well everything else is operating. [ What is important here is that this advisory committee is NOT working well] So I think you have a high responsibility to make sure that it has full membership, that it's listened to seriously, that the agenda covers the issues that it needs to cover, that it actually looks at reviewing and improving the Act.


I think we have an opportunity here to rebuild credibility in our child welfare system and I think this advisory committee could be an important part of it. So thank you very much and thank you, Mr. Chairman.

MR. CHAIRMAN: Just with that, we'll wrap up your part of the meeting with your final comments. If you can answer that question at the same time, it would be great, thank you.
[2:00 p.m.]

MR. SAVOURY [government bureaucrat]: Thank you. I would just like to say that we do things that we believe are important to make the members feel welcome. We meet with the new committee when they start off [That was 2 1/2 years ago when this current committee was originally appointed - meanwhile people have been hopping on and off this "annual "committee" ] and commend them for applying [Most member of the Advisory Committee did not actually apply - they were proactively sought out by the government,as loyal supporters, while those people who did apply were overlooked !] . We also put a person on the committee, a staff member who can help them in terms of logistics, of booking meetings. We provide meeting space, so we do these things. We also make it a point that they get to present their report to the minister in person and to senior staff, we believe that's extremely important. As soon as there's a vacancy, we start looking to see if there are people applying [There are people who have applied over and over again - always ignored ] . So we do different things. Obviously we haven't been as successful as we'd like, but the committee is up and running and we're committed to keeping it up and running. [ BUT Without the full mandatory membership, this committee is illegal !]

I totally agree with your comments - you probably deal with no more stressful situations. Even when parents lose their children the pain is, I'm sure, phenomenal and it's no easy situation to deal with.

We do increasingly spend more on resources to enable that children and youth and families do better. We spend $7.5 million on preventative services, $2 million to Phoenix House and organizations like the Y and Big Brothers, Big Sisters. We spend a little over $5 million on counselling for children and families, because our Act requires that we have to offer services if we believe they could protect the child and the children could stay with their families. So we believe these are all important.

Finally, I would say in terms of Wood Street, we believe that they do provide treatment. There is a clinical team, there is access to a psychiatrist, we have access to a psychologist and a social worker. Sure, it went through its growing pains as a new facility, but we believe the staff there have done a great job in the short period that they've been
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there. But it's only one part of the continuum and it can't be all things to all children and youth, but I appreciate your comments.

MR. CHAIRMAN: Deputy Minister, do you have any wrap-up comments?

MS. FERGUSON [government bureaucrat]: I know we're short for time, but I'd just like to very sincerely thank you for the opportunity and for your interest. It's an extremely important issue and I'm always interested in your thoughts. We've heard some really positive comments and things for us to think about today, so I thank you very much for your insights. I want to assure you that we take your comments very seriously and it's been very helpful for us, so thank you very much.

MR. CHAIRMAN: Thank you.
[2:03 p.m. Ms. Marilyn More resumed the Chair.]

MADAM CHAIRMAN: So we've now been joined by officials from United Way of Halifax Region. We thank you very much for your patience. Our next topic is the Provincial 211 Information Line. . . . .

Wednesday, April 23, 2008

34. Trevor Zinck, NDP MLA, Critic of Community Services

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Trevor Zinck, NDP MLA, Critic of Community Services


I recall listening to a Nova Scotia radio talk show where a person who called in was informing the audience that Children Services was taking new-born babies away at birth from the hospitals in Nova Scotia.

The reaction? People did not believe it.

Well let us tell you, this is true. We have been witness to this ourselves.

On this subject,we would also like to direct you to

Contact:902-461-0181
Fax: 902-461-0775
Address: 327 Windmill Road,
Dartmouth, NSPostal Code: B3A 1H7

He has been doing an exceptional job in this position, going out, first hand, to witness the wickedness of what is going on in Children Services /Children's Aid/Community Services system. He, himself, has been witness to newborns being removed at the hospital from loving caring families. I would not hesitate for a moment to recommend you to Trevor if you have any concerns with Children's Aid/Services or the Foster Care system.
Below is a recent press release from Trevor Zinck's office - Comments have been added in squared parentheses [ ] .

Dartmouth – NDP Community Services Critic Trevor Zinck is calling on the Minister of Community Services to fill vacancies on the Children and Family Services Committee. The committee has four long-standing vacancies that must be filled by parents, members of minority groups and the public. The committee should have a total of ten members.
[It is important to understand that this is NOT a legal committee if all members that are specified are not appointed ! ]

Through this committee, parents can give the government valuable feedback about its child protection and adoption systems: both the good and the bad,” says Zinck. “Because the full committee hasn’t met for a long time, it hasn’t been able to make decisions involving some of the province’s most vulnerable children.”
[ BUT the committee has illegally gone ahead with "business as usual", in contempt of the law ! ]

The committee is now made up of one parent, one legal aid lawyer and four members of the Community Services Minister’s staff. Although the purpose of the committee is to hear presentations from parents and the public, it hasn’t done so since May 2007.
[This is the membership of the Committee as decreed by the Children and Family Services Act (CFSA):Section 88 (1) (2):
“The Minister shall establish an advisory committee whose function is to review annually (This current committee has existed now for almost 2 1/2 years and has not put together any report ! ] the provisions of this Act and the services relating thereto and to report annually to the Minister concerning the operation of the Act and whether the principles and purpose of the Act are being achieved.
The advisory committee shall be appointed by the Minister, after consultation with the relevant groups and individuals, and shall include
(a) 2 persons whose children have been, are OR may be in need of protective services;
(b) a representative from an agency;
(c) a representative of the Minister;
(d) a legal aid lawyer
(e) 2 persons drawn from the cultural, racial or linguistic minority communities; AND
(f) such other persons, not exceeding 3, as the Minister may determine.]

“Parents either don’t know about this committee, or don’t feel welcome. Anyone who might be critical of the child protection system is poorly-represented on the committee,” says Zinck. “Instead it’s made up of representatives hand-picked by the Minister.”
[The truth is: people who are critcal are NOT represented on this committee at all! Many people who make the criteria to be on the committee have applied to be on the committee and have been repeatedly ignored ! - This writer is one ]

In 2005, after NDP MLA Graham Steele [as a private lawyer] represented a parents’ group [ No ! 2 advocates : Linda Youngson and Marilyn Dey] , the courts ruled this committee must be fully reinstated. Two years later, the government still has not acted on that ruling.
[Correct, Trevor ! And as such, this is NOT a legal committee ]

Monday, March 03, 2008

33. NS Human Resource Committee - Is it doing it's job?

NS Human Resources Committee - Is it doing it's job?
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The problem of power is how to achieve its responsible use rather than its irresponsible and indulgent use — of how to get men of power to live for the public rather than off the public. - Robert F Kennedy

The Nova Scotia Human Resource Committee is a multi-party committee established for the purpose of reviewing and approving or NOT approving candidates for appointment to agencies, boards or commissions (known as the ABCs) .

Two women, Linda Youngson and Marilyn Dey, took the, then, Minister of Community Services, David Morse, to court in December of 2005 when the Minister refused to obey the law under Section 88 of the Children and Family Services Act to appoint a committee to review the Act and its implementation. In fact the Minister had not done this since 1996! They won !

[Ministers] Advisory committee
88 (1) The Minister
shall establish an advisory committee whose function is to review annually the
provisions of this Act and the services relating thereto and to report annually
to the Minister concerning the operation of the Act and whether the principles
and purpose of the Act are being achieved.
(2) The
advisory committee shall be appointed by the Minister, after consultation with
the relevant groups and individuals, and shall include
(a) two persons whose children
have been, are or may be in need of protective services
;
(b) a representative from an agency;
(c) a representative of the Minister;
(d) a legal aid lawyer;
(e) two persons drawn from the cultural, racial or
linguistic minority communities
;
and
(f) such other persons, not exceeding three, as the Minister
may determine.
(3) Appointments to the advisory
committee shall be for one year and may be renewed.
(4) The advisory committee shall choose one of its number to
chair the committee.

After twice requesting this committee be appointed, and the Minister refusing to obey the law, these ladies filed for court action against the Minister in June of 2005. It was only after they filed against the Minister that he reluctantly began making appointments.

We believe it is important that the public have insight into the ongoing shenanigans of the government over these appointments. They have made a farce of the Minister's Advisory committee !

This committee was suppose to be an annual committee - It has now been more than 2 years since the original full committee as mandated by law was finally appointed.
As of April the 1, 2008, there were 4 members on this committee NOT APPOINTED ! (See NDP MLA Trevor Zink's news release) The committe is NOT LEGAL unless all specified members are appointed

Because this committee has rolled on for such a long period of time, numerous people have been on and then off this committee, often leaving this committee for many long months without the legal mandate of specific members.

Most presentations to this committee were done in the first year and no audio or video recordings of the presentations were made. Because of this, the people who are now on the committee, and are now resposible for writing a report for the Minister, were not present to hear the critical and important presentations that were made.

In addition, we were originally promised by the earlier members of this committe that this report would be public, but were told later, by the newbies on the committee, that they had no obligation to make this report public - Well Shame !

If you take the time to read the exerts of the Hansards of the Nova Scotia Human Resource Committee, we have included in this article, you will be enlightened! We urge you to contact your MLA and the MLAs cited and make them aware of the fact that we are watching them and we do care. - Please feel free to cut and paste from this article in e-mails to the various MLAs. Find the contact info here: NDP , Liberals, PC .

Also check out the schedule for the HR Committee and make your physical presence known .
Location: 3rd Floor, Dennis Building1740 Granville Street


Fr Hansard for Human Resources Committee: Tuesday, October 25, 2005

http://www.gov.ns.ca/legislature/hansard/comm/hr/hr_2005oct25.htm


MR. CHAIRMAN: Good morning, everybody. I guess for our agenda we have the appointments to the agencies, boards and commissions. We'll start with the Department of Community Services and I understand one person has withdrawn their name from that committee.

MR. HOWARD EPSTEIN: Who has withdrawn?

MR. CHAIRMAN: One of the members who applied, Chrystal Malay.

MR. EPSTEIN -NDP : Well, in fact, I think that's important information given the context within which we work. I know the usual thing in this committee is to deal with the nominees one by one. This is an unusual committee, however, because there's a statutory framework for it. Section 88 of the Statute requires certain categories to be filled in order to meet the requirements of what it is that the Act contemplates. I think we have to consider the whole range of what it is that we're dealing with here.
That person was in a particular category. It's interesting that she's withdrawn. I wonder if I could speak to this before we start dealing with the other nominees. Is that okay?

MR. CHAIRMAN: Yes, go ahead.

MR. EPSTEIN-NDP: So here's the problem. The problem is with this particular committee, if you look at what we've been given in materials, you will see there is an extract from the Children and Family Services Act, right at the beginning. It includes Section 88 where it describes the advisory committee that has to exist. It gives several categories of people that have to be filled. One's a legal aid lawyer, one's a nominee of the minister and two people are to come from cultural, racial or linguistic minority communities. There are extra positions, but right at the top it says, "two persons whose children have been, are or may be in need of protective services . . ." So it's pretty clear that what's contemplated is an advisory committee that at least takes into account the views of parents as part of the process.
The committee can have 10 people and indeed, we're offered 10 names. Looking at what it is that we have, you'll find that there's something very peculiar that's happened in the names that we've been given. We have a legal aid lawyer and that's fine. We have the minister's representative who, in fact, works in the department and that's fine and to be expected. We have three people in the other category who seem to be okay.
We then are focused on the two other categories. One is the minorities where there are supposed to be two positions and the other is the parents where there are also supposed to be two positions. For the minorities, we have two applicants who have self-identified - one is an Acadian and one is an African-Nova Scotian, so they would certainly fit the overt wording of the Statute.
On the other hand, both of the names of the people who have self-identified as fitting the minority category work for Children's Aid Societies. So, in effect, where the minister has offered the opportunity to have his own nominee, to have others, to have an agency person, he has gone on to give us two people in the minority category, who should be there primarily on behalf of their minority communities, whose jobs are in the system as Children's Aid Society workers.
So, first, that's questionable, and the second problem is with respect to the so-called parents. Now the chairman told us this morning that one of the people in the parents' category has apparently now decided to withdraw her name, but let me point out the problem with both of the people who are in the parents' category, which is that neither of them had said in any of the material that they were parents of children who might fit those criteria. In fact, if you look at the second person [VanZoost] in that category and you read his resumé, it seems extremely unlikely that he's ever likely to have had his children apprehended or be in any kind of position in which that's likely to come up.
The point is though that we don't know; it didn't say. It didn't say in his covering letter. It didn't say in any of the material that was given to us from the department, and the same is true with respect to the person who has withdrawn; in fact, I don't think she had a covering letter, it was just sort of a short resumé. So I think that we're seeing two things. We're seeing an attempt to stack the committee with too many people from the Children's Aid Society, and that's in the minority category, and we certainly don't have parents who would fit the category of Section 88(2)(a), that is, ". . . persons whose children have been, are or may be in need of protective services . . ." So at the very least I don't think we can fill that category, and on the other one I wonder if what we ought not to do is to send back the recommendations for those two positions, the two minority positions, and ask if it's not possible to find people who aren't Children's Aid Society employees, since that doesn't seem to be the thrust of what this committee is all about.
Anyway, there it is, Mr. Chairman, those are the observations I have.

MR. CHAIRMAN: Mr. Taylor.

MR. BROOKE TAYLOR: I would just say it seems very obvious that the member has done quite a bit of research on the composition of this committee, and I would apologize to you, Mr. Chairman, and committee members, that I have not. Consequently, I believe that it may be appropriate to give some consideration to the concerns that the member has raised, but I'm not sure of the process that should follow because I think it's a very important committee that the minister is trying to establish - I think it's also important that we do get it right. I'm not sure, in terms of gender balance, what the composition there would be required, but I have some concerns about that myself. So I'm just wondering if possibly the member has a suggestion as to what he feels would be appropriate at this particular stage.

MR. EPSTEIN-NDP: Just to be clear, I think there are six people there we could approve. We've had one withdrawal, one where clearly the person [Van Zoost] either doesn't fit the category or more evidence is needed - it needs a statement from a person that he fits the category - and then we've got these other two where I'm saying we should defer and ask the department if they can't possibly find two people who fit the category who are not Children's Aid Society employees.

MR. CHAIRMAN: Mr. Colwell.

MR. KEITH COLWELL-Liberal: I, too, have concerns with this, and of course there's nobody here from the minister's office to answer any questions on this, which is normally the case anyway. The thing is I share some of the concerns that have been stated around the table by both my learned colleagues and the real question is if we did appoint six members - which again, I don't have any objection with, because I think we have very qualified people there - can the committee properly function, and if it can't properly function, why do we approve anyone until the minister comes back with the proper slated candidates?

MR. CHAIRMAN: It's a new committee. There's nobody there now. [we were suppose to have this up and going since 1990!]



MR. EPSTEIN: Some people would know that they are on the committee.



MR. CHAIRMAN: Okay, we have Ms. More.

MS. MARILYN MORE-NDP: Mr. Chairman, I too have several concerns about the process used. If you will notice in the binder, it indicates on the summary page for the guidelines, the information that there was a bulk ad - the process, as I understand it in reviewing is that a bulk ad is sent out to several media sources and if there's not much response, then a single ad can go out and then the department is free to solicit people to submit their applications.
Now, in the summary page, for every candidate, it indicates in Guidelines 9 and 10, the information provided to us that the bulk ad went out in April of this year and then Guideline 10 says, "How many responses came from the advertisement?" Total, 15: five males and 10 females. So one would assume, I mean that says how many came from the advertisements, yet I have information from the Acting Director of Child Welfare and Residential Services for the Department of Community Services, from October 7th, that the response to the ad was inadequate, and the department then proceeded to solicit members by advising various regional and program staff to encourage interested parties to apply to the Executive Council office, which, in other words, is Cabinet.
So why are there two versions of how we got these names? I think it would have been very easy in Guideline 10 to suggest that the initial process failed to elicit the number of qualified candidates and that there was another step in the process, but it's misleading to suggest that all these names came from the ads and that they were freely submitted. Now we don't know. It may be a minor point, but it's just that this whole advisory committee has been a problem from day one. It was mandated back in 1990. The committee has only been called to report to the minister four times [actually 2 times] in those 15 years, although, under the legislation, it's required to meet and report to the minister every single year, and it's only happened four times.
The process is flawed, and this is such a crucial advisory committee, because we're talking about legislation here that actually enables the Minister of Community Services to take children into the protection of the minister, as well as provide other programs and services for children and youth at risk. So it's essential that we have a broadly representative advisory committee, giving the best advice in a timely fashion to the minister. So it's hard to know what the total number of applications really were and how many of them from that first bulk ad are actually showing up on this final list, and how many other people have been recruited [by the government] as individuals and for what reason, we don't know.
It's interesting because two women [Linda Youngson and Marilyn Dey] actually took the minister and the department to court over the fact that this committee was not set up as required under the legislation, and those two women applied for the committee. Their applications went as far as the minister, and we have no idea whether it was stopped at the ministerial level, or if it was stopped at the Cabinet level, but there are two women who have publicly admitted their strong and long-time interest in these issues, who have been impacted personally by the legislation from the department, who are willing to serve on this committee, whose applications and names have not shown up in this binder. So I just question, where are those names, and they would certainly fill one of the categories that we're questioning.
The other concern I have is that in the guidelines and policies, regarding agency, board and commission appointments, it actually says that those policies can be changed by interpretation of the Clerk of the Executive Council. So I'm just wondering, how standard are those policies if their interpretation can be changed by one person, depending on the circumstances? I have a lot of concerns. This committee needs to be fast-tracked, it needs to be set up as quickly as possible because it hasn't met since 2001 [Since 1996] . There are lots of gaps and weaknesses in the legislation. I certainly would support putting the six on as quickly as possible, because I think they would influence the minister to fill the other positions and get the first meeting set up as quickly as possible [Naive ?]

MR. CHAIRMAN: Ms. Streatch.

MS. JUDY STREATCH -PC [Current Minister of Community Services ] : Not to drag the issue on ad nauseam, but I would certainly support the views of my colleagues around the table. I, too, agree that we need to at least get this started, and if we had some names that were put forth that qualified under the guidelines. I do have a bit of a caution, though. We are looking for a linguistic, racial, et cetera, balance, but I wouldn't want to eliminate someone if they did qualify under that guideline simply because they were part of an agency or a society as well. I would just say that though I understand what the member was saying about stacking in one direction, I would just offer my own personal caution that I don't think we should necessarily eliminate them immediately because they tend to double over.

MR. CHAIRMAN: I think more information on the candidates is what Mr. Epstein is looking for. (Interruptions) It was more information on a couple of the candidates that you were looking for?
MR. EPSTEIN-NDP: What I was suggesting was that there are six people I think we can confirm today. There's been one withdrawal, so that doesn't come up. Of the remaining three, I think we have to send the last person on the list back [VanZoost] for more information. I guess what we should try to figure out is what to do about King and Landry. I'm suggesting, not that they be rejected but they not be accepted either [wishy-washy?- Watch for future wishy-washy comments by Epstein] , and the Executive Council be asked whether they can't find two people who might fit the minority category without also being agency employees.

MR. CHAIRMAN: Mr. Glavine.

MR. LEO GLAVINE-Liberal : I just wanted to say, I think that sometimes working in a committee like this and having the input of a number of members is so beneficial. What Mr. Epstein has presented, along with Marilyn, I think are excellent points, very critical points. This is a committee whose absence has been a real deficiency for the minister and for the examination of processes that go on. Just within the last two years, there was the potential loss of organizations, like Kings County Family and Children's Services, which has been a leader in this area in the Province of Nova Scotia. There was a move towards centralization and organization of these bodies, and a committee to help examine and rethink those kinds of potential ministerial mandates, in my view, is so necessary to have up and going.

I don't really like the process of splitting, some members are good to go, others we have to reposition them for possible positions. I'd like to see this whole committee appointed at one time, and that it would, however, become active very soon, that there be almost a timeline that we would set down for this. Those are my two thoughts on where we need to go with this.

MR. CHAIRMAN: Mr. Taylor.

MR. TAYLOR -PC [the government]: Mr. Chairman, like I said earlier, I think the member for Halifax Chebucto certainly has the wherewithal and has done a lot of research on the composition of this committee. I'm not really interested in somebody holding a hammer over my head or the government's head regarding a court challenge and that type of rhetoric. I really think people around this table are interested in establishing the committee to do its mandate. We're talking about the rights and the freedom of children and their families. That's what we're talking about here today. I want to make sure that we get this thing right. I'm not sure, based on the information I have and some of the comments around this table, that we do have it right at this particular time.
I'm willing to support approving the names, if the member for Halifax Chebucto would like to start. Mr. Chairman, I think we have to bring the committee into some type of being. It has to be engaged. We could come back a month later and there may be some names, once again that we don't like. I think if we're prepared as a committee to go at this one by one, then I think we should start doing that. I think the mandate's clear and we know the history of the committee, or the non-history of the committee, so to speak.
So why don't we get at it, Mr. Chairman?

MR. CHAIRMAN: Mr. Colwell.

MR. COLWELL-Liberal: Yes, as I've already stated, this has to be a balanced committee to work properly. If you [the government] pick and choose who you're going to appoint, you're not going to have the balance on that committee. I think I would prefer to see it go back to the minister with some recommendations that have been made, that we have some concerns about particular individuals on here, and let him come back with a full slate so we can go with a full committee, then they can make the proper recommendations on these issues. If you miss one side of an argument on this and one or two individuals are missing, then you're not going to have a balanced approach to this committee and it could be worse than having no committee there at all.
I can't imagine that, I think it's horrible that there hasn't been a committee in place all this time, but I'd prefer to see it go back even if we - as my colleague has said, we need a timeline on this to get this back. It's important to get this up and going. It should be a totally balanced committee, and if it's not balanced, it's not going to work. I'd like to make a motion that we send all these names back to the minister to come back with a full slate with considerations that have been put forward by my colleagues of names that they don't feel are appropriate for the committee and move from there.
[You will see later, that, by slipping in the appointmentment one by one, the HR Committee members lost sight of the bigger picture and lost count and even concern about what catergory was being filled. And the Minister was able to further stack the Advisory Committee with the wild cards " Such other persons, not exceeding three, as the Minister may determine" - Section 88 (2)(f) without hardly a whisper from the MLAs who should have been protesting]

MR. CHAIRMAN: Mr. Epstein. There's a motion on the floor, so, on the motion. (Interruptions)



MR. EPSTEIN-NDP: We just had a little huddle in our caucus about this. There seemed to be two possible courses of action: one is the motion which is just to defer the whole committee, the other is to appoint some members.
Our feeling is that we'd like to appoint some members now rather than to defer the whole committee. I understand the point the member makes about - particularly this committee which has about five different categories that have to be filled. On the whole, I think we'd at least like to get some people aware that they're appointed to the committee, even if the committee may not start meeting right away. That's really, I think, what does it for us. We'll be voting against the motion and we're prepared to support six of the nominees individually.

MR. CHAIRMAN: On the motion?

MR. TAYLOR [the government]: Mr. Chairman, I'm certainly going to speak against the motion. Again, I want to emphasize that we're talking about the rights and the freedom of children and their families. I'm confident that if we approve the names of people at the committee level that have already been vetted by the department that, in fact, we're doing a service to the children and families in Nova Scotia that have a profound need for this committee to be up and running. [Who does he think he is fooling] I'm sorry, I can't support the motion.

MR. CHAIRMAN: Any further discussion on the motion? Would all those in favour of the motion please say Aye. Contrary minded, Nay.
The motion is defeated.
Okay, so I guess the consensus is that we go with - Mr. Epstein.

MR. EPSTEIN: Okay, I'm happy to take people through this. Mr. Chairman, under the Department of Community Services, the following people to the Children and Family Services Act Advisory Committee. I so move Katherine Briand as a member.

MR. CHAIRMAN: Are you ready for the question? Would all those in favour of the motion please say Aye. Contrary minded, Nay.
The motion is carried.

MR. EPSTEIN: Mr. Chairman, I so move Lynn Cheek as a member. [This lady attempted to do the dirty work for the government by attempting to obstruct people who wanted to make critical presentations to the Advisory committee - Then she suddenly resigned after the media got wind of her shenanigans - Also, as it turned out, she was already working on a secret committee, The Child Welfare Steering Committee, that only came to light, with a published report, to the opposition and the public, shortly after the court forced the Minister to put together the Advisory Committee - Any wonder the government did not need this committte- They already had their own boys and girls working on another one ! ]

MR. CHAIRMAN: Are you ready for the question? Would all those in favour of the motion please say Aye. Contrary minded, Nay.
The motion is carried.

MR. EPSTEIN: Mr. Chairman, I so move Cheryl Gillett Harawitz as a member.

MR. CHAIRMAN: Are you ready for the question? Would all those in favour of the motion please say Aye. Contrary minded, Nay.
The motion is carried.

MR. EPSTEIN: Mr. Chairman, I so move Richard B. Gruchy as a member.

MR. CHAIRMAN: Are you ready for the question? Would all those in favour of the motion please say Aye. Contrary minded, Nay.
The motion is carried.
[9:30 a.m.]

MR. EPSTEIN: Mr. Chairman, I so move Trena Gallant as a member.

MR. CHAIRMAN: Are you ready for the question? Would all those in favour of the motion please say Aye. Contrary minded, Nay.
The motion is carried.

MR. EPSTEIN: Mr. Chairman, I so move Barbara Sowinski as a member.

MR. CHAIRMAN: Are you ready for the question? Would all those in favour of the motion please say Aye. Contrary minded, Nay.
The motion is carried.

MR. EPSTEIN: And refer the three remaining names back for further information.

MR. CHAIRMAN: I guess what we'll do, we'll send a letter to the minister, along with a copy of Hansard, as to the discussion of this around the table. Is that fair? Okay. Ms. Whalen.

MS. DIANA WHALEN-Liberal: Just in that letter, when you're sending it back, if you could emphasize particularly on the representatives who are supposed to be there to represent the viewpoints and concerns of parents, that it be very important.

MR. CHAIRMAN: Yes.

MS. DIANA WHALEN-Liberal: I think the intent in writing that into the Statute was that it would actually include parents who have had direct contact with children's services so that they can bring that viewpoint. I'm sure that there is a lot that they could say about the efforts as parents when you're trying to reunite your family and so on. I just think that that viewpoint, it was obviously the intention to have it on the committee in the beginning.

MR. CHAIRMAN: Yes.

MS. WHALEN: And just to try harder perhaps to find somebody who represents it.

MR. CHAIRMAN: The minister will also get a copy of Hansard of everything that has been discussed on this issue.

MR. EPSTEIN-NDP: Yes, make it clear that it doesn't just mean someone who has children.

MS. WHALEN: Yes, right, that's the thing.

MR. CHAIRMAN: Ms. Streatch.

MS. STREATCH [the government- future Minister of Community Service]: Mr. Chairman, just on a final note, I think at closer examination, one of the names [VAN ZOOST] that we did ask the minister to take another look at, I think has extensive service with the Shelburne Youth Centre, the school board, et cetera, so it may be that that individual has had experience, but it's just not evident. As a parent, there may be a misunderstanding there.

MR. EPSTEIN-NDP: He [Van Zoost] has been nominated to the parent category.

MS. STREATCH: Yes.

MR. EPSTEIN: It may be that he was meant to be nominated in a different category.

MS. STREATCH: Maybe, yes, without stating it directly.

MR. CHAIRMAN: Okay, we'll continue. Mr. Taylor.


Fr Hansard for HR Committee: Tuesday, November 29, 2005
http://www.gov.ns.ca/legislature/hansard/comm/hr/hr_2005nov29.htm

Mr. Ronald Chisholm (Chairman)
Mr. Brooke Taylor
Ms. Judy Streatch
Mr. Frank Corbett
Mr. Howard Epstein
Ms. Joan Massey
Mr. Keith Colwell
Mr. Leo Glavine
Ms. Diana Whalen


MS. STREATCH-the government-future Minister of Community Services: Mr. Chairman, under the Department of Community Services, the Children and Family Services Act Advisory Committee, I so move Tim Van Zoost as a member.

MR. CHAIRMAN: Mr. Epstein.

MR. HOWARD EPSTEIN-NDP: Mr. Chairman, I would like to speak to this. Members of the committee will recall that when we last met, the composition of this committee was actively discussed and at the time we put aside a number of the nominees. Mr. Van Zoost was one of the nominees we put aside at the time. You will recall that he was put forward in the category of a person whose children have been or are in the care of the department, or at risk of being in the care of the department.
At the time there was nothing in the documentation to indicate that he would fit the category and indeed reading his CV it seemed, on the face of it at least, highly unlikely that he was likely to be in that category. He has since supplied the committee with an additional letter in which he explains that he has two adopted children. One child, he says, was a private adoption, and although the department does home scrutiny, that really doesn't enter into the category of the Statute as we're looking at it. The second child, he says, however, he adopted after the child had been placed in the care of the Department of Community Services. What he's suggesting is that this, therefore, makes him fit the category.
I have to say I don't think it does. I don't intend to vote in favour of Mr. Van Zoost for membership on the committee. I want to make it clear that in wanting to do that I'm not suggesting that the man is not intelligent or likely to be thoughtful or likely to have, as he says about himself, insights about how the department is likely to work. The problem is that I think it really doesn't fit what the section contemplates. What the section contemplates is that the committee should include in it people who are likely, themselves, to have been the subject of scrutiny, as to their parenting skills by the department in the context of considering whether their children should be apprehended. It's deliberately designed in order to take on to the committee people who have been critical of the department, or at least have certainly experienced, first-hand, that kind of scrutiny, where their parenting skills are being examined in a way that puts the apprehension of their children in question.
The department will know that they actually do have applications from people who clearly do fit that category and what it is that's implied by the Statute. I have to say that not only doesn't Mr. Van Zoost meet the spirit, really, of what the section is all about, I think it would be a stretch to say he fits the letter of what that section is all about. I can't really see that there's any point in putting him on the committee, certainly not in that category. If the minister wants him in one of the other categories, he has a category of other, which is a free-floating section, then he can put that man forward and say he ought to be there. But in putting him forward in the category of a parent of someone whose children are at risk because of the faults of their parenting, or the alleged faults of their parenting, which is really what that section is about, I just don't think he fits the category. I think we have to say, again, to the department, they've ignored what the Statute says. So I intend to vote against it. I don't know if there are comments from anyone else, but that's certainly my view.

MR. CHAIRMAN: Ms. Massey.

MS. JOAN MASSEY-NDP: Certainly I agree with everything that my colleague has spoken about this morning. I would just like to add on that in order to make positive changes, you have to be willing to hear the negative things that happen in the department, too. I think that's one of the things we're looking for, somebody who has had maybe not a rosy time of it with that department.

MR. CHAIRMAN: I just wonder how difficult it would be for someone to want to do that.

MR. EPSTEIN-NDP: I have to say that the reason we're thinking about the composition of this committee so much, in our caucus, is because we've been approached by a number of people from different parts of the province who have come to us with their complaints about how the system works. I really want to emphasize that it's from all around the province. It's in Cape Breton; it's in Pictou County; it's in HRM. A number of people have come to us and said, I, or my adult children, have had problems with the system. The problems range from what triggers an investigation by the department, to what criteria are used by the department to decide on apprehension, to the experience of children once they're taken into custody, to access to legal services, to how the court proceedings go ahead.
We've had a number of instances of people coming to tell their stories. Many of these people are in very difficult circumstances and, one can see, are probably not ideal parents. On the other hand, when we talk to them, it's clear that there's something at the heart of almost each of the stories that makes you worry and has aroused our concern, in our caucus, over how the system works as a whole.
Now I want to be very clear to everyone here, we're getting a lot of suggestions from the parents that there should be a public inquiry about how the system works throughout the province. We haven't started to advocate for that, we've instead looked at the Statute, and we saw that there was this advisory committee that was supposed to be in place and hasn't been in place for the last few years. So we said to the minister, isn't it about time you appointed this committee because it hasn't been in place.
Now, instead of bringing into the committee the range of people who ought to be there to reflect the knowledge and opinion and experience of dealing with processes under this Statute, we see something different happening. The answer to your question is there are people out there, and some of these parents who have come to talk with us did apply in response to the ad, did apply to be on the committee. It's not impossible to find parents who are prepared to serve on this committee. They're out there. If the minister doesn't like the particular ones who have come forward, he can target, as he clearly did with the composition of the committee from the names we saw before, he can go around and target agencies and say, look for parents who have experienced the system and who are likely to do a good job on this committee. [Not a good idea Mr Epstein ! You are gving permission for the Minister to hand pick the trophey cases we know they maintain for susch an occassion- As stated earlier , this committe needs gutsy people we will be critical of the system ! ] The answer, so far as I can see, is, indeed, there are parents out there who are prepared to do this job.

MR. CHAIRMAN: Any further comments?
Ms. Streatch.

MS. STREATCH-the government - future Minister of Community Services: Mr. Chairman, I wonder, though I don't have the same concerns as my colleague across the way, I do believe that Mr. Van Zoost certainly indicated and articulated clearly here his two children, he views that as qualifying him. The fact that he served quite a bit of time with the Shelburne Youth Centre, I find particularly encouraging. Even though it doesn't go to his being a parent, I find that his role on the Shelburne Youth Centre to be quite encouraging.
I guess my concern is if we do not approve Mr. Van Zoost, does that slow down our committee, does that slow down this important process that we all agreed last time we met was important to get this moving? I guess that would be my concern, Mr. Chairman. If we don't get this committee moving, does it indeed slow down our entire process by not accepting this name? [ What a manipulator! ]

MR. CHAIRMAN: Mr. Glavine.

MR. LEO GLAVINE-Liberal: Well, with all due respect to what Mr. Epstein has said here, I know that probably most committees do make some internal kinds of changes as they go along. It just so happens in this case that I know Mr. Van Zoost from the community, from his professional involvements, his volunteerism at schools. Gee, people have the ability to empathize. I don't have to be lined up in a certain category to be able to understand and to put forward strong positions. [Yes you do -the law - the Act itself, clearly defines the categories and without the mandatory appointments, as defined, you do NOT have a legal committee! And as stated earlier, the Minister to put him in the "other" category. By placing him into the parent category, you push out a parent who should legitimately be filling that space ] I think this is a committee that needs to get up and running, and simply get moving. I certainly endorse Mr. Van Zoost's appointment to this committee. [So did the PCs strike a deal with the Liberals or was this because he knew Van Zoost ?]

MR. CHAIRMAN: Ms. Massey.

MS. MASSEY-NDP: I can see this could be debated probably all morning. I'd like to say two things. The committee hasn't been in place, so I think that if we're going to put it in place let's get it right from the get-go. It's very important, we're talking about the lives of children here and, of course, their parents. Although I agree, I can empathize and I empathize on a daily basis in this job, but I've never ever had my child taken away from me, and I do not know what that feels like. I don't know what that feels like. I think we need somebody on this committee who has had first-hand knowledge in that area. I don't think this applicant fits that description.

MR. EPSTEIN-NDP:
I'd like to say again that I have no personal criticism to make of Mr. Van Zoost. I think if he gets appointed either in this category or any other category, I hope he does a good job, there's every reason to think he would. The committee is deliberately structured to involve people whose own parenting is called into question, that's really what the committee has two positions out of 10 designated as. That is why I have doubts about Mr. Van Zoost being appointed in this category.
We all agree the committee should be up and running, that's why we appointed six of the people the last time, so that they could begin to turn their minds to the work of the committee. If Mr. Van Zoost is appointed today, I'll note that the second position of a parent is still vacant and I hope the department will move properly and quickly to bring a name that really does fit the intended category here.
MR. CHAIRMAN: But I think even with the composition of the board that there's probably still room for two on that committee, if I'm reading it right here.
MR. EPSTEIN: We must be missing someone else because I think we appointed six the last time and if Mr. Van Zoost goes on that's seven, and it's a 10-person committee. So one is a parent and there must be two others. I think we asked them to look at the minority group representation, yes, that's right.

MR. CHAIRMAN: So it can be 10, so there's still . . .

MR. GLAVINE-Liberal: So in fact we can still have two parents who meet the actual qualifications the committee is desiring, or has mandated I should say. [What a sly manipulating trick - the members are getting mixed up about the number of people yet to be appointed so he throws in this one to placate the unhappy - But in saying this he is also admitting that Mr Zoost does NOT meet the requirements of parent, the category the committee ends up allowing him to be appointed in! - The HR committee has failed their responsibility! ]

MR. CHAIRMAN- PC- the government :
The committee can be up to 10 people and Mr. Van Zoost will be seven. Anyway, we do have a motion on the floor. We have discussed it enough. Are you ready for the question? Would all those in favour of the motion please say Aye. Contrary minded, Nay.
The motion is carried. [What timing ! The HR members are placated (and confused because they can't keep track of the appointments made thus far, so the Chair, a government person rushes for the vote before they have time to think - VAN Zoost was appointed even though he did not meet the reqirementas to the he was appointed to! ]






Fr Hansard for HR Committee: Tuesday, December 13, 2005
http://www.gov.ns.ca/legislature/hansard/comm/hr/hr_2005dec13.htm

Mr. Ronald Chisholm (Chairman)
Mr. Brooke Taylor
Ms. Judy Streatch
Mr. Frank Corbett
Mr. Howard Epstein
Ms. Joan Massey
Mr. Keith Colwell
Mr. Leo Glavine
Ms. Diana Whalen

[Ms. Judy Streatch was replaced by Mr. Cecil O'Donnell.]


MR. CECIL O'DONNELL: Mr. Chairman, under the Department of Community Services, to the Children and Family Services Act Advisory Committee, I so move Kenneth Deveau as a member.

MR. CHAIRMAN: Mr. Epstein.

MR. HOWARD EPSTEIN: Thank you very much. I'd like to just make a couple of brief comments about the two nominees that we have in front of us for the committee today. This, of course, has been something that has been discussed at our committee on two previous occasions.
What we have today are two nominees to fit the designated category under the Statute of representatives of minority communities inside Nova Scotia. On the face of it, of course, both of the nominees fit the category - and indeed I want to say I'm going to support both of these nominees - one comes to us from the Acadian community, another comes to us with experience at MISA, Metro Immigrant Settlement Association, and is, herself, an immigrant to Canada [from Europe] and is in a position to have a lot of contact with others in other branches of the immigrant community in Nova Scotia. Both of these things fit the category in the Statute.
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On the other hand, there's something as simple as whether either of these individuals have children themselves, we don't know that. It's not stated in their letters and although I'm sure they're both - based on their qualifications - going to do a decent job on the committee, it rather seemed to me that when I read the guidelines in the Statute for the composition of the committee that part of the idea here was, at least impliedly, that the individuals who had come forward in this category representing linguistic or other minorities, might themselves, either at least be parents, or perhaps even be people whose children themselves might have been at risk. At the very least I think what we see is a missed opportunity to appoint people whose parenting skills have been drawn into question. [This is referring to the comments made at the last meeting , that even though the committee admitted they were appointing someone (Van Zoost) in the parent category who did not fit the requirements of the category, that somehow, they could make things right by appointing 1 of the 2 required parents from a different category - As you can see, this was not done - There was no requirement for the government to appoint a parent in the minority, or any other category. The Human Resources committee failed to do their job to make sure the first parent was appointed in the parent category, as was their responsibility, so now they found themselves with the possibility of having only 1, not the legally mandated 2, parent on the Minister's Advisory Committee! ]
So that said, I am going to vote for them
[Why make an objection and then tell everyone you are going to vote for the names brought forward? Epstein could not expect anyone to be persuaded by his arguement if immedaitely after putting forth an arguement against he then tells every one he is going to vote for the persons in question -Wishy-washy or what! ] and will note that we still have one vacancy on this committee, and that's in the category of a parent whose parenting skills have been called into question. I wish to say, again, that the department has in front of it applications from people who clearly fit not just the letter, but the spirit of that category. We know, because some of us on this committee have been approached prior to this by people who have put their names forward, that there are candidates who do fit this category of having their parenting skills called into question and have had direct experience of the committee.
So I hope the department looks favourably upon one of those applicants and comes forward with their name fairly soon,
or find someone else who fits that last vacancy [the government went searching for their own supportive people even though there were people who had applied for the parent category and made the requirements] that is there for the committee. I will vote in favour of these two but note that it's a little bit of a missed opportunity. [Wishy- washy]

MR. CHAIRMAN: Mr. Taylor.

MR. BROOKE TAYLOR - [PC government ]: I was just going to point out to Mr. Epstein that we, too, have heard from a number of people who have applied for this particular committee. Howard, I know you've been following this very diligently, the composition, I'm just wondering, do we not currently have a person drawn from a linguistic minority on the makeup of the current membership of the committee?

MR. EPSTEIN: Do you mean previously appointed?

MR. TAYLOR: Yes.

MR. EPSTEIN: I don't remember, particularly.

MR. TAYLOR: I had thought, or perhaps mis-thought, that we did make reference to that. They fell, I think, under two categories . . .

MR. EPSTEIN-[NDP]: What happened, I think, was the first time we met to discuss this committee, there were two nominees for these two positions [minority category]. We questioned them at the time because they both worked for Children's Aid Societies and that seemed to give an excessive

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weighting on the committee to people who were part of the system, rather than coming from outside the system. We questioned their names at the time and didn't appoint them. They would have fit the linguistic or minority category, I think, but their names didn't come forward again, these are two different names.

MR. TAYLOR [PC] : There's an e-mail circulating too, or at least I know it went to our caucus and the NDP caucus, from a Marilyn Dey. She sent the e-mail out on behalf of herself and a Linda-somebody [Youngson] , I forget the last name. She's claiming that the other person that she sent an e-mail on behalf of as well, has a cultural background that should be given consideration too, she's a card-carrying Aboriginal. Again, it's just a concern that I want to make sure that we do get this right. I think there is opportunity, but . . .

MR. CHAIRMAN-[PC government] : Thank you, Mr. Taylor. We have a motion on the floor. Is that en bloc? [Did you notice how the Chair jumped in and shut down his own fellow PCer, stopped all conversation before anyone could think things out, and immediately called for a vote- These politicians are sleek!]

SOME HON. MEMBERS: No.

MR. CHAIRMAN: Okay, just the one name. The first name was Kevin Deveaux.
Are you ready for the question? Would all those in favour of the motion please say Aye. Contrary minded, Nay.
The motion is carried.

MR. O'DONNELL: Mr. Chairman, under the Department of Community Services, to the Children and Family Services Act Advisory Committee, I so move Mira Musanovic as a member.

MR. CHAIRMAN: Are you ready for the question? Would all those in favour of the motion please say Aye. Contrary minded, Nay.
The motion is carried.





Fr Hansard for HR Committee: Tuesday, December 20, 2005
http://www.gov.ns.ca/legislature/hansard/comm/hr/hr_2005dec20.htm

Mr. Ronald Chisholm (Chairman)
Mr. Brooke Taylor
Ms. Judy Streatch
Mr. Frank Corbett
Mr. Howard Epstein
Ms. Joan Massey

Mr. Keith Colwell
Mr. Leo Glavine
Ms. Diana Whalen

MR. CHAIRMAN: I guess we all know why we're here, it's to make an appointment to the Children and Family Services Act Advisory Committee. There is one appointment that we have to do.
Ms. Whalen.

MS. DIANA WHALEN: Mr. Chairman, if we are able today I would like to add an item on there and have us look at the agenda, so we could actually choose a witness for January and have more business for our January meeting. . . . .

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MS. JUDY STREATCH [PC-government - the current Minister of Community Services] : Mr. Chairman, you know for goodwill around the table, I will go along with the will of the table. I would like to say that I came here today with one specific agenda and that was to look after the Community Services committee and get that clarified and get that out of the way. I understood from our meeting in November that we would be discussing witnesses in January. For the record, I will support the will of the table but I came here today with one specific agenda and that was to satisfy the Community Services committee.

MR. CHAIRMAN: Okay, maybe we'll deal with that one specific agenda item and we'll come back to this item after we do that. Is it agreed?

SOME HON. MEMBERS: It is agreed.

MR. CHAIRMAN: We do have one appointment to the Children and Family Services Act Advisory Committee. We do have one name that has come forward.
Mr. Taylor.

MR. TAYLOR: Mr. Chairman, to the Children and Family Services Act Advisory Committee, I so move Valerie Hill as a member.

MR. CHAIRMAN: Any discussion?
Mr. Epstein.

MR. EPSTEIN - [NDP]: I just wanted to note that in looking at the CV that we've been given and in making some inquiries about the nominee, it seems to me that indeed we do have, in the case of Ms. Hill, someone who does exactly fit the requirements of the legislation for this slot on the committee. She seems to be someone whose parenting skills were called into question in the past. I understand she has since then worked very actively and diligently in organizing other parents in her area of the province. [If this was true, I question why a web search came up with no information on this person. Does anyone have anyinformation they can pass on to us ? ] I gather her work has been very productive, I have every reason to think that she'll be a good member of this committee.
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I'm very happy to see that there is someone who has been nominated now in this category who, I think, really fits both the letter and the spirit of what it is that has been built into the structure of the committee. [ BUT, there was suppose to have been 2 people that really fit the letter and the spirit of the parent category] I only want to add that I hope if we do confirm her nomination today that the committee will get up and running as soon as possible, and get on with its work.

MR. CHAIRMAN: Any further discussion? Are you ready for the question? Would all those in favour of the motion please say Aye. Contrary minded, Nay.
The motion is carried.





Fr Hansard for HR Committee: Tuesday, February 28, 2006
http://www.gov.ns.ca/legislature/hansard/comm/hr/hr_2006feb28.htm

Hon. Ronald Chisholm (Chairman)-PC (gov)
Hon. Brooke Taylor-PC (gov)
Hon. Judy Streatch-PC (gov)
[current Minister of Community Services]
Mr. Frank Corbett-NDP
Mr. Howard Epstein-NDP
Ms. Joan Massey-NDP
Mr. Keith Colwell-Liberal
Mr. Leo Glavine-Liberal
Ms. Diana Whalen-Liberal
[chair]
[Hon. Judy Streatch was replaced by Mr. Gary Hines.]


MS. DIANA WHALEN (Chairman) : I'd like to call the meeting to order. I'd like to have everyone introduce themselves for the record.

[The committee members introduced themselves.]

MADAM CHAIRMAN [MS. DIANA WHALEN] : For our first order of business today, we have received a letter of resignation from a committee member. I wonder if everybody has had a chance to review that. A copy has been put in front of us. I thought we might deal with that right away. This resignation relates to the Advisory Committee on the Children and Family Services Act. We've had a lot of discussion here about the composition of that committee, the membership and the relative qualifications of each member or category that they represent. I just wanted members to be aware of this, and if there is any discussion, I'd like to hear it.
Mr. Glavine.

MR. LEO GLAVINE: I guess the point that I want to make here is really centred around a process. Perhaps I am not so much wanting to discuss at all Mr. [Tim] Van Zoost, who of course is the centre of this particular letter. There are appointments in this committee, especially ones like we have gone through regarding the Advisory Committee on the Children and Family Services Act, which require people from different backgrounds and so forth who will fit the criteria that have been set down for that committee. However, there are circumstances of a very sensitive nature that can be, and in this case were, brought forward about Mr. Van Zoost, which we as a committee, I think, need to be addressing in camera [this means behind doors -in secret] , and perhaps some of such a sensitive nature that I wonder about it being recorded in Hansard, personally.

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Mr. Van Zoost went through the ropes, of course, a little bit, because in his initial appointment, or the initial time he came before this committee, perhaps he was not in the appropriate category required for the Advisory Committee on the Children and Family Services Act. That being said, when he did come forward there was quite a bit of debate around the appropriateness of his serving on the committee. In that context, of course, some very private information came forward.
I think there is the possibility of that happening further at this level of appointments to provincial agencies, boards and commissions. For that reason, I think we as a committee need to address the very idea of some of our discussions being held in camera [in secret! ], if it is a critical matter to one's appointment. For private matters to have become public, I think, certainly the onus is upon us now to do some review of procedures at this committee. I just kind of open this up.

I have to be a bit careful here. Mr. Van Zoost is a constituent of mine. He came to discuss this matter with me, in terms of how best to have it addressed. I know at one point he was perhaps looking at an appearance before this committee to present, in fact, the whole implication of what happened to him and the potential for a very upsetting family matter to have been addressed, if you wish, in the public domain.
I guess perhaps now he is not going to appear before the committee. I don't think there is such a letter, or perhaps there is. I haven't spoken with him in recent weeks. I do think that we as a committee need to set something in motion here, so that this kind of circumstance doesn't come upon us again.

MADAM CHAIRMAN: Mr. Chisholm.

HON. RONALD CHISHOLM: Madam Chairman, I was the chairman of the committee when those discussions took place. I did get a letter, as chairman of the committee, from Mr. Van Zoost, requesting a meeting, to appear before the committee, to explain his side of what he thought went wrong. Subsequent to that, I sent him an e-mail and said that we would discuss it at our meeting here today. I think each and every member of the committee should have received a copy of that letter and my response to him.
As Mr. Glavine has said, Mr. Van Zoost did have some concerns, major concerns, as to a pretty delicate situation for him. Anyway, I guess we can discuss that as part of our discussion here this morning. I haven't heard that Mr. Van Zoost doesn't want to appear before the committee now. Maybe he doesn't. Maybe Mr. Glavine has more information on that than I do.

MR. GLAVINE: He had presented me with the idea that, in fact, he would write you, Mr. Chisholm, and present that to you as chairman of the committee at that time, and put forward that request. Perhaps if he hasn't followed up, then it means that he's just going to

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go quietly with a letter of resignation and would just like for us to address the circumstances that propelled his decision to resign.

MR. CHISHOLM: There were a couple of things in his letter that he referred to. One was that he would like to have the removal of any private information from Hansard. Now, I'm not sure how that can happen. It's on the public record now, and I'm not sure that can happen. Anyway, I guess it's open for discussion.

MADAM CHAIRMAN: Mr. Epstein.

MR. HOWARD EPSTEIN: The question of occasionally going in camera is well worth our attention. I don't think we really turned our minds to it when we were dealing with this particular nomination. It's good that we remind ourselves that this is an option available to us from time to time. I can't think that it will come up very often. I think that it's really the particular structuring of this committee that might call for it.
You'll recall that one of the designated positions is for someone whose parenting skills have been called into question, although those exact words aren't used in that subsection of the legislation, but that's really what it amounts to. Where that comes up, indeed, it may well be that when someone is applying for the position or is being nominated for the position and sets out the way in which they meet the section of the Act, indeed they might not be all that happy to have the full details set out in Hansard. We could consider going in camera if that ever happens again. [Excuse me, the public has a right to know why a person supposedly fits into a particular category so the public can object if people are appointed who do NOT fit the specified category, as was the situation with Mr Van Zoost. This presses the government and the Human Resources Committee to be accountible for their appointments - VAN Zoost resigned because the public did object, and there was a public outcry backed by an article written by Stephen Kimber. In this case, the system worked ! ]
I guess we should remind ourselves that we didn't have a request that the material be treated as confidential, either from the nominee or from the department, at the time. As a committee, I guess we just didn't turn our minds to it at that time. I take it from our experience with this particular applicant and for this particular position that we'll be alert to this the next time it comes up. I guess it will come up, because if Mr. Van Zoost has resigned from the committee, there will be a vacancy. So sooner or later the department will have to turn its mind to coming up with another person to fit the category. I think that's really where we stand at this point, we'll just take it, I hope, as a reminder to ourselves to think about this the next time it comes up. [Stay tuned - Because of this secretive mindset, another person, who had no right to be appointed in the parent category, was appointed ! ]

MADAM CHAIRMAN: Mr. Taylor.

HON. BROOKE TAYLOR: Madam Chairman, I think we have to be very careful here, from my observations, in camera is something that we should try to avoid if at all possible. We established, many years ago, as a subcommittee of this committee, some guidelines. I think, although I don't know the exact terminology - perhaps Gordon could help us - that when a person went through the so-called screening process, then it was agreed that their name and, of course, resumé and references, et cetera, would become public. There may be times that we would want to go back and look at that, but, essentially, I think that's a
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guideline we have in place here. I don't know Mr. Van Zoost at all, but did I hear this morning that he may still want to come in and speak to the committee, or did I misunderstand that? I can't understand the value of that at this particular time. [Thank-you Mr Taylor for speaking out for democracy and freedom of information, and for informing us of the guidelines! ]

MADAM CHAIRMAN: Mr. Glavine.

MR. GLAVINE: He had spoken to me about that possibility, just to alert this committee and possibly put before it the standing idea that there may be times in which personal and very private information could become public, as it did in this case. Because of the nature of this committee going forward, it became the subject of an article in The Daily News.[10. Committee? Committee? Check. Justice? Maybe no by Stephen Kimber, Sunday, December 18, 2005] It was with great consternation that the family discovered, when they checked on a family Web site, [ What's Wrong with Nova Scotia's Children and Family Service Act:Comments & Recommendations CFSA Section 88 (1) (scroll to last article)] that now this information had been moved in there, because when the name Van Zoost was "Googled" in, if you wish, this came in conjunction with a Web site that they had created.
Certainly as an educator, I know that even at the high school level there are children who do not know that they are adopted children, while it is a much more widespread practice that children know earlier on. So can you imagine, a family and children discovering, if it happened to go public, as it did in this case, then it does present some very serious consequences. As Mr. Epstein said, it is just a reminder that if such sensitive information comes forward, we need to be cognizant of that and we need to act on it appropriately in this committee. [Mr. Glavine just ignored what Mr Taylor just said about guidelines- Another example of disregard for law and process?]
[9:15 a.m.]

MADAM CHAIRMAN: Mr. Hebb.

MR. GORDON HEBB- [who is this guy?] : I was just going to respond to Mr. Taylor. What he's referring to is the policy as set out on the first page of your binder. [Thank- you for your insight]

MADAM CHAIRMAN [MS. DIANA WHALEN] : If I could, I recall reading the letter. I'm sorry it isn't before us today so that we could see it, because it was quite lengthy. I know you have a copy. Perhaps members of the committee would like to review the letter that came from Mr. Van Zoost. I do remember that he wanted the courtesy, the opportunity, really, to come before us and maybe explain why he was offended and so on, and perhaps that will be done in camera [this means in secret, behind closed doors ]. We can decide that. I was just looking at the rules for meetings. If a majority of the committee votes, we can hold a portion of our meeting in camera. So that's something we could look at. I think, because he has been upset by this, it would be good to offer him the opportunity to come. That's what I feel as a citizen, that if he wants to come and address us, he should be allowed to.
Mr. Colwell.

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MR. KEITH COLWELL : I agree. I think that where he did send a letter in, even though he has been talking to Mr. Glavine about this, I think we should give him the courtesy of responding to the letter, and in a positive manner indicate that he could come to the committee. If, indeed, it is his wish to come, I would like to see, at least initially when he comes in to discuss this very delicate situation, that it be in camera, at least that part of it. Then maybe after that we could go out of camera and have a discussion with him on less-sensitive issues, maybe just around the topic of this. I think that would be a very good idea. I can't imagine what it would be like for him if that happened, or for anyone that would happen to. Maybe we could make sure to send him a very nice letter from the committee indicating that he has the opportunity to come, if he so wishes.

MADAM CHAIRMAN: Mr. Corbett, did you have a comment?

MR. FRANK CORBETT -[NDP ]: A couple of things. One that jumps out at me here, I guess, is the fact that these come to us as items to vote on, from Executive Council, with no direction as far as the propriety of saying anything in public, outside of the fact that these books are to be treated as confidential. When we get into this arena, there's nothing in there. There is a whole body that vetted this, that did not see any reason to hold back any information. The other fact of this is that this was a committee - and again I have all kinds of sympathy for Mr. Van Zoost - that basically government was being forced to strike because it abdicated its role for many years. So one would realize, I would have thought, at some point, the sensitivity that should have been exercised around this.
I want to lend my voice to those who say that if we're at any point going to go in camera, we better be darn sure that we're going there for a good reason and that the utmost of prudence be exercised when we go in camera. I think part of our job and part of what we're vetting here today is for all Nova Scotians to see. Indeed, I think that if there were something to be learned from this, it's that maybe when this information is coming back from Executive Council that there be addenda at that point to tell us what's going on, to give us some more direction on it. [Well said Mr Corbett ! ]

MADAM CHAIRMAN: Mr. Taylor.

MR. TAYLOR : Madam Chairman, do you know - or perhaps, Gordon - whether or not when an applicant applies for one of these ABCs if in fact it's explicit or understood that if they are appointed to the agency, board or commission that remunerates its members at the rate of $100 or more per day that in fact the information can be made public? [Uh BUT here's the problem ! This board gets LESS than the normal $100 per diam -$45 I believe - so they can be secretive! ] Do we know if in fact Mr. Van Zoost would have been aware of that? If he wasn't, that may be the crux of the problem. It goes on to say, "Requests for this information from the press or public will be referred to the Executive Council Office."
I just think that it may be a case of Mr. Van Zoost not being aware of the information. Again, I support my colleague across the way and want to repeat, I really don't think that this
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committee should be going in camera. When it gets to this stage, our job is to approve or disapprove. It should have been vetted and screened by the committee previous to coming here, I really believe. It's unfortunate that this happened, I feel for Mr. Van Zoost, but for this committee to go in camera, it really has to be based on strong rationale, and this time I think we unwittingly found ourselves in the situation we're in.

MADAM CHAIRMAN: Ms. Massey.

MS. JOAN MASSEY: I'd just like to note that there are indeed people who put their names forward as applicants for these committees. In fact, there are people who have put their name forward and have become the successful applicant, as far as the minister's concerned, who do not know it is voted on at this committee. They believe that when the phone call comes from the department that they in fact are on this committee.
I think there is a breakdown, maybe, in communications between when people apply and the process they follow. I agree with my colleague beside me that, indeed, I think that whole process needs to be looked into and maybe some education for the people who are involved in putting their names forward. So this may be something that's a lesson for everybody and we can learn from it and maybe improve the way we're doing things.

MADAM CHAIRMAN [MS. DIANA WHALEN] : Exactly. I think there are lessons to be learned just in what has unfolded, but I'd like to go back to the gentleman's request to come before the committee. If it's the agreement of the committee, I feel we should write him a letter and give him that opportunity. I guess it remains, perhaps in discussion with him, whether or not he's willing to speak in camera or out of camera. I think we would have no objection if he is speaking about personal details and wants to explain things to us that we could go in camera at that point. [Note, how she so skillfully dismisses previous statement made about the use of "in camera" . The mindset is just, "lets move it along". Shame on you Ms Whalen ! ]
Anyway, I'd like us to be able to agree to move forward and invite him to come. So is that the wish of the committee?

MR. GLAVINE: I so move that Mr. Van Zoost, if he so wishes, appear before the Standing Committee on Human Resources.

MADAM CHAIRMAN: So we'll move forward and invite him, then, if there are no objections. Thank you very much.
The time is getting later and we do have guests this morning, so I'd like to move to the appointments of agencies, boards and commissions.
Mr. Chisholm.
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MR. CHISHOLM: Madam Chairman, under the Department of Community Services, to the Children and Family Services Act Advisory Committee, I so move Frederick Francis Benson as a member.

MADAM CHAIRMAN: Are you ready for the question? Would all those in favour of the motion please say Aye. Contrary minded, Nay.
The motion is carried.




Fr Hansard for HR Committee: Tuesday, October 31, 2006
http://www.gov.ns.ca/legislature/hansard/comm/hr/hr_2006oct31.htm

Mr. Keith Colwell (Chairman)
Mr. Diana Whalen
Mr. Leo Glavine [Mr. Leo Glavine was replaced by Mr. Stephen McNeil.]
Hon. Carolyn Bolivar-Getson
Mr. Alfred MacLeod [Mr. Alfred MacLeod was replaced by Mr. Keith Bain.]
Mr. Chuck Porter
Mr. Charlie Parker

Ms. Joan Massey
CLARRIE MACKINNON

HON. CAROLYN BOLIVAR-GETSON: Mr. Chairman, under the Department of Community Services, Children and Family Services Act Advisory Committee, I so move :
Katherine Briand
[Previous apointee: as legal aid lawyer rep (government position)- from Antigonish ] ,
Lynn Cheek
[Previous appointee: as the minister’s representative -from New Glasgow-This woman resigned from this committee when it got out to the media that she put up all kinds of roadblocks to stop people, who were critical of the government, from making presentations to this CFS Act Advisory Committee! - Wake up people! ! ],
Cheryl Harawitz
[Previous appointee: Specific appointment by the Minister of Community Services - served as Chair of the committee- f rom Halifax]
Richard Gruchy
[Previous appointee: representative of an agency -from Fall River] ,
Trena [Slaunwhite] Gallant
[Previous appointee: Specific appointment by the Minister of Community Services - from Halifax] , and
Barbara Sowinski
[Previous appointee: Specific appointment by the Minister of Community Services - from Dartmouth as members.]

MR. CHUCK PORTER: Seconded.

MR. CHAIRMAN: Ms. Massey.

MS. JOAN MASSEY: With regard to that committee, I'm just wondering if the committee is now full, if all the spots are full on that committee. I know we had some discussions at prior meetings, and I think this is the one where we were trying to make sure that parents who actually had children who might have been in need of protective services, that those parents had gotten on that committee. It just seems like a lot has happened since last Spring, with the election and this sort of thing. If you'll excuse my lack of remembering what actually happened with that committee, maybe we can get an update if the committee is actually full.
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MR. CHAIRMAN: That's not a question I have an answer to, but we can inquire to make sure and bring that information back to the committee.

MR. CLARRIE MACKINNON: Mr. Chairman, as a novice, this is a general question which I would just like to get clarification on. When we are making appointments like this, there are never any listings of the people who have applied who are not being appointed. I think that would be most helpful to have an entire list and then to see the appointments. I'm wondering why it doesn't work that way. It's probably a juvenile committee point to be making but I'm a juvenile here, despite my age.

MR. CHAIRMAN [Mr. Keith Colwell] : I'd like to take that under new business, if I could, because that's something that I think would require some discussion, if that's all right with the member, and I will put it under new business, but it's a very good point.
We'll get the information Ms. Massey requested. We'll send a letter off to the department.

MS. BOLIVAR-GETSON: I do know that the people who have applied did meet the parameters of what we were asking for [No SHE DOES NOT KNOW ! No one has mentioned the various categories of people who have to be appointed and if those categories have been properly met! - Why is it so difficult for these people ot to have a copy of section 88 of the CFSAct on hand so they can refer to these categories? ] , but I'm not sure if the committee is 100 per cent full.

MS. MASSEY: It's the parents with the children who actually were involved with those kinds of situations. [This the parent category and 2 people are suppose to be appointed to the committee in the parent category- None of the appointments brought forth on this day are parents !]

MS. BOLIVAR-GETSON: I'm told that they did meet the parameters that we applied for, [So who informed this person? ] but . . .

MS. MASSEY: The people who are being appointed here today do not fit those categories, I don't believe. There is a legal aid lawyer, the minister's representative, agency representative, so I'm just not sure. I would like to have a little bit . . .

MR. CHAIRMAN: I'll send a letter to the department and get a definite answer on whether this is a full appointment, and I'll bring that back to the committee at our next meeting.
Any other questions on this before we move the question? [Despite the serious questions that need to be answered BEFORE the vote, they are going to take a vote anyway ! ! ? ? ] Ms. Whalen.

MS. DIANA WHALEN: Just one question, but this is an unusual one in that we had quite a bit of discussion about it last year on the composition of the committee because it has very strict guidelines about the membership and who they should represent. What I'm noticing today is that it has come back so quickly and when you look at the information, the fine detail, it shows that the term is only one year, which seems really short for a committee because as we know at this Human Resources Committee,
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we look at over 100 agencies, boards and commissions. If it's going to be renewed every year, I think that's a little bit too short, actually. I imagine they've hardly met. Prior to us making appointments last year, it was a committee that hadn't met I think ever, or it certainly hadn't met in the last three or four years. So could we also, in your request - my request would be to ask why the term is so short and why it wouldn't be two or three years.

MR. CHAIRMAN: Yes, we can do that, if that is the wish of the committee. Okay, we can do that as well. Any other questions before I call the question on this?
Would all those in favour of the motion please say Aye. Contrary minded, Nay.
The motion is carried. [ So the people were appointed even though it was not clear if there were any people in the parent category currently on the committee or if there were the 2 spaces for these appointments left ! - This is scandalous - This shows the Human Resources Committee is either too lazy to do its job properly or that it has no respect for the law - Because these categories for appointment are specified by the NS CFS Act and, by law, must be filled as specified ! See what happens at the next meeting (below: Not a whimper - Not a word - Not a question about the information that was asked for]



Fr Hansard for HR Committee:Tuesday, November 28, 2006
http://www.gov.ns.ca/legislature/hansard/comm/hr/hr_2006nov28.htm

Mr. Keith Colwell (Chairman)
Ms. Diana Whalen

Mr. Leo Glavine
Hon. Carolyn Bolivar-Getson was replaced by Hon. Ronald Chisholm.]
Mr. Alfred MacLeod was replaced by Hon. David Morse [The government brought in the big guns - the former Minister of Community Services ! ]
Mr. Chuck Porter
Mr. Clarrie MacKinnon
Mr. Charles Parker
Ms. Joan Massey


HON. RONALD CHISHOLM: Mr. Chairman, under the Department of Community Services, Children and Family Services Act Advisory Committee, I so move Kenneth Deveau and Mirjana Musanovic as board members. [Both were previous apointees under the minority categories!]

MR. CHAIRMAN [Mr. Keith Colwell ]: Would all those in favour of the motion please say Aye. Contrary minded, Nay.
The motion is carried. [What a sham! ]


Fr Hansard for HR Committee: Tuesday, January 30, 2007
http://www.gov.ns.ca/legislature/hansard/comm/hr/hr_2007jan30.htm

Mr. Keith Colwell (Chairman)
Ms. Diana Whalen was replaced by Mr. Harold Theriault
Mr. Leo Glavine
Hon. David Morse
Mr. Alfred MacLeod
Mr. Chuck Porter
Mr. Charles Parker
Ms. Joan Massey
Mr. Clarrie MacKinnon



MR. CHAIRMAN: I'm going to bring the meeting to order. As committed in the past, if there's an issue with an individual who is going to be appointed to a board, we should talk about it in camera. There is one issue with one potential appointment that we want to talk about in camera. I would ask everybody who isn't a committee member to leave the room now. We're going to go to a short in camera session. We'll move from there.
[9:09 a.m. The in camera session commenced.]
[9:22 a.m. The public session reconvened.] . . . . .


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MS. JOAN MASSEY: Mr. Chairman, I think, recently all members of the Human Resources Committee received an e-mail from two ladies in regard to an issue around them trying to make a presentation at the Minister's Advisory Committee for the Children and Family Services Act, that committee that we worked hard at getting going again. The issue revolves around the timeliness in these two ladies receiving a reply to the request to make a presentation. I don't want to mention their names [ This was Linda Youngson and Thelma Gillespie and you can read their presentations HERE] here today, because, well, we all know why [we would like to know why !] , but I'm wondering, if I pass this information along to you if you could follow through for us and make sure that they are communicated with in a timely fashion in the future.


MR. CHAIRMAN: I appreciate your bringing that forward. On behalf of the committee, as long as it's the wish of the committee, I will do that. We can write a letter to Executive Council, making a specific inquiry as to what the status is on those and ask them if they could - and we can only ask, of course - correspond with the people in question to let them know what the status is of their application. Any objections to that? Hearing none, that will be done.




Fr Hansard for HR Committee: Tuesday, February 27, 2007
http://www.gov.ns.ca/legislature/hansard/comm/hr/hr_2007feb27.htm


Mr. Keith Colwell (Chairman)
Ms. Diana Whalen was replaced by Mr. Wayne Gaudet
Mr. Leo Glavine
Hon. Carolyn Bolivar-Getson
Mr. Alfred MacLeod
Mr. Chuck Porter
Mr. Charles Parker
Ms. Joan Massey
Mr. Clarrie MacKinnon




MR. CHAIRMAN: Is there any discussion? . . . .
The next one is the Department of Community Services, Children and Family Services Act Advisory Committee.


MR. MORSE [Previous Minister of Community Services] : Mr. Chairman, I would be proud to move Robert Seymour Wright as a member of the Children and Family Services Act Advisory Committee.


MR. CHAIRMAN: Any discussion?

[There should have been discussion - Mr Wright was appointed in the parent catergory BUT he was a government man: He was a social worker - He worked in child welfare, as a front line worker, supervisor, forensic clinician, and Executive Director; former director of Family and Children's Services of Cumberland County; and in justice, as a correctional mental health specialist. In May of 2007, Mr. Wright was appointed to serve as the Executive Director of the Child and Youth Strategy of the Province of Nova Scotia. He steped down from this appointment to this committee only after his appointment was exposed as the sham it was by the media]

Would all those in favour of the motion please say Aye. Contrary minded, Nay.
The motion is carried.


Fr Hansard for HR Committee: Tuesday, July 31, 2007
http://www.gov.ns.ca/legislature/hansard/comm/hr/hr_2007jul31.htm


Mr. David Wilson - Glace Bay (Chairman)
Ms. Diana Whalen
Mr. Michel Samson

Hon. David Morse
Mr. Alfred MacLeod
Mr. Chuck Porter
Mr. Charles Parker
Ms. Joan Massey
Mr. Clarrie MacKinnon


MR. PORTER: Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. First I would suggest we generally do them individually for each committee. I would start off with the Children and Family Services Advisory Committee and move that Audrey C. MacNeil be appointed as a member.
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MR. CHAIRMAN: The motion is on the floor. Is there any discussion?
Would all those in favour of the motion please say Aye. Contrary minded, Nay.
The motion is carried.

[No indication whatsoever what category this person has been appointed to ! ]


Fr Hansard for HR Committee:Tuesday, October 30, 2007
http://www.gov.ns.ca/legislature/hansard/comm/hr/hr_2007oct30.htm
STANDING COMMITTEE ON HUMAN RESOURCES


Mr. David Wilson - Glace Bay (Chairman)
Ms. Diana Whalen [was replaced by Mr. Keith Colwell.]
Mr. Michel Samson [was replaced in the witness portion by Mr. Leo Glavine.]
Hon. David Morse
Mr. Alfred MacLeod
Mr. Chuck Porter

Mr. Charles Parker
Ms. Joan Massey
Mr. Clarrie MacKinnon
[was replaced by Mr. William Estabrooks.]


MR. CHAIRMAN: Thank you. We're dealing first of all with the appointments to the Department of Community Services. You have, I believe, everything before you in your folders and the binders that you've received, so let's start please. Mr. Morse.

HON. DAVID MORSE: Mr. Chairman, I so move Marilyn Booth, Katherine Briand, Cheryl Gillett Harawitz and Gary Newcombe as members of the Children and Family Services Advisory Committee.

MR. CHAIRMAN: Would all those in favour of the motion please say Aye. Contrary minded, Nay.
The motion is carried.
[Again no clarification or discussion as to what categories these people are being appointed to! ]

Sunday, January 20, 2008

32. Unfit to be a mother?

Unfit to be a mother?

The following article was brought to my attention by a family that has been struggling to get their children back from the Nova Scotia Children Services system. (I hope to be able to speak more on this particlur case in the future)

This is an article from the UK, but was brought to our attention because the same horrendous abuses and concerns are right here in Nova Scotia.

And we advocates can attest to the truth of this statement. There is more wickness going on in Nova Scotia then most people are willing to accept. Unfortunately, we citizens of Nova Scotia prefer to keep ourselves in denial - But this is a very dangerous place to be - At any time, anyone of our families can be affected - our children, grandchildren, nieces and nephews etc.

If any of your relative have been, or are being, victimized by this system, please do not just automatically assume the worst of these relatives - Many good innocent families are being caught up in this corrupt web ! - They need your support - And you may be next!


Unfit to be a mother?

In the 60s, many women were forced to give up their illegitmate babies. Everyone now agrees that was a shocking practice. But a recent rise in the number of newborns up for adoption suggests we have found new reasons - or excuses - to take children from their parents. Kate Hilpern investigates

Kate Hilpern
The Guardian,
Tuesday January 15 2008

This article appeared in the Guardian on Tuesday January 15 2008 on p6 of the G2 comment & features section. It was last updated at 13:56 on January 16 2008.

Laura was about to give birth in hospital when the authorities arrived to take her baby. "The doctor just handed her over and that was that," she says. "All I wanted was to die," she adds, barely audible. Laura had been in a violent marriage. She left her husband when she was pregnant, but went on to have a breakdown. She says she had recovered by the time social services got involved, but they encouraged her to sign papers consenting to the adoption of her unborn baby. She refused. They insisted. She still refused. They said they would take the baby anyway.

Laura's daughter was initially cared for by foster carers and she was allowed to visit five days a week, although there was no opportunity to breastfeed. Once the adopters had been identified, the meetings were reduced to one day a week at a time and finally she was offered a "goodbye visit".

"My life will never be the same again," she says. "Somewhere out there is my baby and I don't know where. You can't explain the psychological effects of something like that. It's beyond words. It's beyond anything."

Government statistics show that 1,300 babies under a month old are now being taken into care and subsequently adopted, compared with 500 in 1997.
Campaigners, including members of the legal establishment, academics, an MP and even some social workers themselves, are worried that we are returning to the draconian attitude of the 1960s, when society was more eager to whisk babies away for adoption than support mothers in keeping their children. Today's social workers, they say, are rushing cases through to hit the government's adoption targets just as social workers decades ago hurried to fulfil the dreams of childless couples waiting in the wings.

Others view the increase in baby adoptions as positive. Far better that children begin life in a loving adoptive family than risk multiple placements in and out of the care system, they argue. When you consider that the key reasons for today's babies being removed are drug and alcohol abuse and domestic violence, this is clearly a danger. Then there's the Victoria Climbié case, where a little girl suffered horrific abuse and died under the noses of social workers - evidence that a rule of optimism can lead to fatal results. "There are likely to be more children living unsafely in the community who should be in care than the other way round," says Anthony Douglas, chief executive of Cafcass (Children and Family Court Advisory and Support Service). "Only Poland and Italy take fewer children into care in Europe than we do. The UK public service is not a serial child-snatcher."

So which argument stands up? Are we repeating the mistakes of the past, or does the growth in baby adoptions demonstrate that we have learned from previous errors of judgment? And is there a "third way" - an alternative to adoption that is kinder to all concerned?

Adoption was first introduced in the UK in 1926. For the next 50 years it was used almost exclusively to avoid the stigma of illegitimacy. Half a million unmarried mothers had little choice (some would argue none) but to relinquish their babies, especially during the "sexual revolution" of the 1960s when adoption reached an all-time high. Many have experienced an unending grief. Even those who have had reunions with their adult offspring bear scars from the missing years.

"It ruined my life," says Padmini Staple, 58, co-chair of the Natural Parents Network. "I got pregnant at 16 and you can call it 'relinquishing' or 'giving up my baby' or whatever you like, but I had absolutely no say in the matter. Nobody ever suggested any alternative. When I had my son later on, I had postnatal depression and continue to suffer from depression to this day. Even though I'm now in touch with my daughter and I'm trained as a counsellor, I still have periods when I enter a huge black hole. I've talked to so many women like me. They've all been affected."

By the mid-70s, contraception, changing attitudes to illegitimacy and welfare benefits for single parents meant the number of babies adopted dropped drastically. Adoption shifted from being a service for childless couples to a service for children needing families. Indeed, baby adoptions in the past three decades have been set in a context not of morals, but of child protection. But perhaps even more alarming than the recent increase in newborn adoptions itself is the uncomfortably large minority of women who are claiming their babies are being taken with insufficient evidence of wrongdoing. [This is happening in Nova Scotia]

Lucinda, 40, is among them. "I started to drink quite heavily when I lost both my parents in quick succession," she admits. "It came to social services' attention two weeks into my daughter's life because someone reported me. I completely understand their need to get involved, but what I don't understand is why they took my baby away even when I'd turned my life around."

Lucinda says that a 14-week assessment in a mother-and-baby unit culminated in a recommendation that she should keep her baby, albeit with support - including the proposal that social services should pay for her to continue seeing the psychologist at the unit. "The support didn't happen and the psychologist didn't happen, so I paid to see her myself. I also paid to go into rehab for three months. But my baby was taken anyway [We are aware of similar cases here in Nova Scotia where people had to seek their own services after services were COURT ORDERED ordered BUT Children Services failed to set these services up for the parents] and as the care plan stands, she'll be adopted. I'm willing to do anything, including having a supervision order placed on me for a year. But it seems that once a local authority has made up its mind about adoption, they are like a dog with a bone."

Lucinda believes that if the adoption goes through, her pain will be similar to the mothers of the 60s. "I just hope that by then we will have woken up to the horror of what's happening now in the same way that we did after that period. But it will be too late for me."

Probably the most notorious recent case is that of Fran Lyon, 22, who was told last year by social services that her baby could be taken into care 15 minutes after it was born, with no chance to breastfeed. According to Lyon, who has since fled the country, the only reason was because, like many young girls, she had mental health problems as a teenager that are now "completely behind me". Her lawyer, Bill Bache, has described the practice of removing babies from such women as "a very sinister trend".

John Hemming, Liberal Democrat MP for Birmingham Yardley and chairman of the Justice for Families group, is campaigning for a public inquiry. [ Wow a politician taking the lead! This is what we want here in Nova Scotia ! ] "We are getting three or four new cases referred to us each day," he says. [ Please contact Trevor Zinck NDP MLA ]

Like many people, Hemming believes the main problem is the adoption targets introduced by the government in 2000 to try to reduce the number of children in long-term residential care. [ This is exactly what has been happening in Nova Scotia! ] "What you wind up with is social workers under pressure to achieve these targets. They know older children are harder to place, so they find babies. I know of one children's services department that acted to prevent a mother moving from her local authority area to another so that they could get the baby to meet their own targets."

Hemming says the moral panic following Victoria Climbié is also significant. "It means social workers are finding it difficult to pull back legal proceedings as they develop. It also means that when parents ask for help from the system, the system is turning on them.
[ This is exactly what has been happening in Nova Scotia! - NEVER - NEVER - GO TO Children Services FOR HELP ! ! ! That is how most of the cases we are aware of began. ] "

Social worker Rachel Bramble agrees. "Much of the reason why babies are taken into care quickly is due to reactionary systems that have been created by a government that fears the press coverage of a child death and so has become overcautious," she says. "Vast amounts of local-authority money are consequently spent on looking after children and care proceedings compared with supporting families - even though there is much said about supporting families."
[ The same in Nova Scotia ! - Understand there is vast sums of money that are being shifted around, not only within the government, but, to various private concerns as well - Bottom line: there is money being made off the victimization of our families and children ! Naive people ask for services and their children are taken instead ! ]

Bramble became so appalled by the system that she left her social services job three years ago. [This happens here too! See the article Psychopaths Working in Children's Services ] In one case she dealt with, she says she suggested to the local authority solicitors that they could perhaps apply for temporary parental responsibility for a period of six months so that they could still be involved with the family but without care proceedings. "But they just looked at me astonished that I had suggested such a thing," she says.

Gina Gibb, 44, says she was refused the opportunity to even be assessed in a mother- and-baby unit. "I was fine when my first son was born, just a bit of baby blues. But when I had my second child, I had postnatal depression. After my third baby, I wound up with mental health problems. A social worker came to the house and said, 'Whatever you need, I'll help.' But she never came again until I had what's called a psychotic episode. Being pushed to crisis point was bad enough, but I was then accused of neglect and was told that if I didn't get better within a certain timescale, they would take my baby, which they did." [ We are very familiar with similar cases in Nova Scotia]

Gibb's mother rang the community heath service and finally Gina received some support. "I fought to get my baby back in court and won. But without that help that I had to seek out myself, I probably wouldn't have my children now. Yet I've had another baby since and I've proved I'm a good mum to all my children." Gibb now does charity work to try to change the way mothers are treated by social services.

As you might expect, local authorities are quick to deny wrongdoing, although not always. Chris Smith, 40, says he received a written apology from his local authority when his two young sons were adopted, but because adoption is legally irreversible he has been told he will never get them back. "They'd been living with my ex-partner, but she had some emotional problems. When it became clear she couldn't keep them, I said I would like to care for them, but social services said that I would fail to meet my children's emotional needs. They said that what levied against me quite extensively was my dishonesty about the fact that I have a half-brother and half-sister. They said I never told them about these half-siblings, whereas in fact they had been informed. Obviously this small issue wouldn't make a difference as to whether I could care for my children, but they felt it was proof that I was an untrustworthy individual."

Later Chris attended a family assessment centre and they too concluded that he was not capable of meeting his children's emotional needs. "A significant part of this was back to the dishonesty issue about my half-siblings. They said that I was clearly involved in a fight with the local authority and if I got my children back, I wouldn't be able to work with them."

A friend of Chris's happened to be a senior manager for social services. She had helped Chris write a letter of complaint during the process and an independent investigation ensued. "My solicitor asked for a copy of the findings but was refused. We finally got it after we'd lost the children and still didn't have the evidence in time to go back on appeal. That's when I got my letter of apology."

The impact has been unbearable, he says. "My mum died at 53 from a short, sharp illness and I thought nothing could ever be worse. On a scale of one to 10, that scores one and this scores 11."
Campaigners say that where parents are not together, fathers are all too often overlooked as potential carers. But being male is not the only thing going against parents such as Smith, says family law solicitor Sarah Harman. She believes that the time limit on appeals also leaves many parents unable to challenge adoptions effectively.
[Nova Scotia and Dalhousie Legal Aid ( provinacial government entities) are masters at messing up your ability to appeal: they will lie to parent's or the older children's about right to appeal; they will tell parents they have no grounds for appeal, when they do; they will drag out their job until the timelines are past]

She adds: "I think there is a rather unhealthy relationship between some experts and some local authorities and the judiciary. Local authorities know that if they instruct Dr X, they'll say this mother has no hope of turning her life around and that the judge will accept it.
[ This happens here in Nova Scotia all the time ! Many of the assessments are used, not to help the parents, but to give the government an excuse to remove children from their families AND many of these assessments are corrupt, unprofessional, and unetically produced - Only today I was speaking to the registrar of the Nova Scotia Board of Examiners in Psychology, Meridith Burns over the need for parents to have the right to have these interviews included in the assessment taped. Her reply was "That's not very likely to happen.
My reply: If there is nothing wrong being done with these assesments, there should be no problem giving parents this right "
We are aware of parents who have requested taping of the assesment and have been repeatedly denied. We are aware of cases where ALL the answers to questions asked in the interview were turned around in meaning. When the lawyer for the parent requested the original notes to be presented in court within 10 days, after a 1 1/2 months, and a number of excuses, as well as a fraudulently produced document that they attempted to pass off as the original notes, they finally confessed, in writing, that the original notes were SHREDDED. Later, when a psychologist was hired by the parent's lawyer to review the assessment, these original notes, which are suppose to be kept with the file were no longer in existence to be used as they should have by this psychologist - Never the less, the PHD psychologist who reviewed the assessment had nothing positive to say about the assesment! ] .
Because of the secrecy of the family courts, which means nothing that goes on in them can be shared with the outside world, such practice is not scrutinised. There is no western democracy that has such family-court secrecy as we do." [ They obviously are not aware of the secretive Children and Family Services court system in Nova Scotia and clear across North America]

Harman has a further worry: "I've dealt with lots of cases where adoption was a good thing but I've also dealt with cases where I've been very frightened about the way the court process works. It goes like this - a child's been injured, parents can't explain why, parents must be responsible, child goes for adoption. What's particularly scary is that it happens much more to families who are disadvantaged. Family courts always say they don't go in for social engineering but I think judges do sometimes think, 'This is a single mother, something's not right in the household, the child would be better off somewhere else,' and off the child goes."

Yvonne Coulter, 35, believes she is a victim of just this. Eighteen years ago, her six-month-old baby Tammy fell while playing in her baby bouncer. When she was at the hospital, Yvonne was told that if she left the hospital with Tammy, she would be charged with kidnapping her daughter. "I was astounded. I'd never had anything to do with social services before," she says.

Following three years of legal battles, Coulter claims it was proved beyond doubt that she was a good mother. "But by the time the case wound up in court, it was too late. The judge told me, 'Miss Coulter, if I return your daughter home to you, you will be a stranger to her.' So Tammy was adopted."

The following year, as she lay naked with her legs in stirrups giving birth to her son, Coulter says a male social worker walked in the labour suite and tried to hand a safety order to take this baby too. "Medical staff had to ask him to leave three times. It went to court and I won this time, but my family was never complete. It felt like my life was permanently on hold. My sleeping was horrendous and every special occasion - Christmas, Mother's Day, Tammy's birthday - was terrible."

In 2006, when Tammy was 17, she sought out her natural mother. Within a matter of months, Tammy moved in with her. Together, they are taking legal action against Derbyshire social services and are campaigning to stop babies being removed unfairly. "I am very angry and upset that both of us had the right to family life taken away for no good reason. It's like it was generations ago," says Tammy.

Not all adoptees feel aggrieved that they were removed from their families as babies. Annabel, 45, was taken at nine months old. "Today, it would be called neglect. My mother would leave me in the cot when she went to work and come back at lunchtime to feed me. I honestly don't think she meant to harm me. She was young and naive. To my knowledge she was never offered any support, but I actually think it was better to remove me. In fact, I think I should have been removed even earlier than I was. I say that even though I was placed in an adoptive family with problems and even though I know my natural parents now. If a child might be at risk, the sooner the better."

Patsy, an adoptive mother of a nine-year-old girl who was removed at four years old, agrees. "My daughter should have been taken years earlier than she was. It's not that I don't feel dreadful for her birth mother. I do. But at the end of the day, she is a year behind at school and her self-esteem is not what it could be because her care was lacking for so long. We're lucky because she's a survivor, but some children are not and the damage could be irreparable."
The evidence is not just anecdotal. Research shows that when there is a view that a return to the birth parents should be the first choice of a care plan, it can lead to delay for many babies, says Julie Selwyn, director of the Hadley Centre for Adoption and Foster Care Studies at Bristol University. Delay, she continues, is damaging, not least in terms of forming attachments, educational outcomes and self-esteem. "We studied 120 children who entered the care system in the early 1990s and by far the best outcomes were for children adopted young," says Selwyn, who adds that her research also identified a significant increase in the number of mothers abusing drugs and alcohol to the extent that they were unable to meet the needs of their babies.
David Holmes, chief executive of the British Association of Adoption and Fostering (BAAF), says that we should be praising social workers for bringing more babies into the care system. "The adoption targets came about because a government-led review found that adoption was being used as a last resort and children were being allowed to drift in care. If social workers are picking up cases more quickly and working faster to get children into the care system, should we be criticising them? It's naive to suggest that every birth parent can turn their life around."

The government says the increase in the number of babies being removed from parents should therefore not be viewed negatively. "In fact, statistics show that the number of children aged one to four coming into the care system has reduced by the same amount," says a spokesperson for the Department for Children, Schools and Families. "This means that children who would have come into care anyway are simply coming in earlier than in the past."

John Coughlan, joint president of the Association of Directors of Children's Services, shares the view that neither adoption targets nor the Climbié case have caused social services to break up families unnecessarily. "What I do accept is that there probably has been a heightened risk awareness of protection of younger children post-Climbié, and I also think the new adoption targets have focused attention on those families where there is a better-than-average chance you'll end up in permanency planning for the child. But knowing what we know about moving children sooner rather than later, and knowing what we know about the prospects of finding a permanent placement for a child over a certain age, this is surely a good thing."

He adds that local authorities aren't able to comment on individual cases, which leaves the press only ever able to tell one side of the story. "The reality is that the average adoption case takes two and a half years of vigorous assessment and challenging, with a wide range of professionals involved, with judges making the final decision. John Hemming's conspiracy theory just doesn't stand up against such a process."

The system isn't foolproof, admits Anthony Douglas of Cafcass. "It's not like shoplifting cases where there is clear-cut evidence, not usually, anyway. It's more like the McCanns' case where you have the whole 'Did they? Didn't they?' argument, while in other cases it's more about risk of harm than actual harm. In the end, you have to remember that parents don't always tell the truth and you have to work on a balance of probabilities. What's the alternative? It is unacceptable to take undue risks with children's safety."

But although he believes the whole idea of social workers taking babies to meet adoption targets is a "conspiracy theory running away with itself", he does believe there are ways of increasing the percentage of accurately diagnosed cases - notably, better training and mainstreaming of expert witnesses and more specialist family judges and specialist family solicitors.

Other improvements are already in the pipeline. This April, stricter controls on the cases local authorities bring before a family court come into force. Meanwhile, the Ministry of Justice is to pilot a new scheme aimed at opening up proceedings of the family courts, where more information will be given in cases with a significant public interest.

The first family drug and alcohol court in the UK also starts work this month. The court, based on a model that has proved successful in the US in helping parents fight addictions and keeping families together, has been launched by district judge Nicholas Crichton. Having seen mothers lose child after child to care through addiction problems (one had 14 babies removed), he has long been campaigning for this £1.34m initiative in London, which will allow judges to follow their own cases through, offering parents early intensive intervention by experts, as well as support from mentor mums who have weaned themselves off drugs and got their children back.

One of the mentor mums, Sharon Simms, 36, had three children removed by social workers, the youngest just days after she was born, due to her addiction to crack cocaine and alcohol. She credits the Maya treatment centre in London for turning her life around. Project manager Angela Wells says: "When I was a senior social worker, there was utter pessimism about the ability of substance-misusing mothers to be good parents and the culture was to remove babies at birth. So I left to come to this project, which has a clear remit of working with mothers in a therapeutic way, with a parenting programme run alongside. We work with women for up to six months residentially and support continues in the community afterwards. Sadly, the project is currently unique, yet we are managing to help mothers keep their children and be good mums."

Other projects, such as the charity Addaction's Breaking the Cycle in London and the Liverpool Women's Hospital in Merseyside, offer support to substance-using mothers in the community. Sue Wilson, a midwife at the latter, says: "These women tend to be labelled as bad parents unable to change, whereas we've had many success stories." But again, such projects are rare.

Perhaps the most wide-reaching "third way" - although still not common - is "concurrent planning". Carol Homden, chief executive of Coram, a charity aiming to improve chances for children, explains: "If a child is under two and the court is deciding on their future, then concurrent planning means that they are placed with a foster family who will go on to adopt them should the court decide not to keep the birth family together. But the overriding aim is for the baby to be returned to the parents' care, in which case the concurrent carer has the satisfaction of knowing they gave these children love and security when they needed it."
[ We have a similar Foster to Adopt program here in Nova Scotia - The sweet sentimants of this last sentence DO NOT PAN OUT! ! - We have seen many cases where the foster parents do everything to discredit the parents with nasty and false statements against the parents after a child has returned from an access visit - Just think about it - These people become emotionally connected to the child with the hope that they will eventually be able to adopt the child - They will do anything to impede this child being returned to their parents.]

In the end, only time will tell whether drug and alcohol abuse, along with domestic violence, have become "the new illegitimacy", in terms of a stigma that attracts the removal of babies rather than much-needed support; or whether support in the majority of cases is simply too optimistic, robbing children of a right to a stable upbringing elsewhere. In the meantime, Cathy Ashley, chief executive of the Family Rights Group, hopes the debate continues to gather momentum so that complacency itself doesn't become the driving force. "Besides capital punishment, the worst thing you can do to a human being is remove their child. If the state is going to do that, it needs to be the very, very last resort".

· Some names have been changed

Saturday, October 13, 2007

31. The Sham and the Shame of the NS Barristers’ Society

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The Sham and the Shame of the NS Barristers’ Society: An Actual complaint filed with the NSBS against 2 lawyers working on a Children Services Case

Judge for yourself if the Barrister's society is doing its job. Names have been omitted to protect the identity of the children involved.

March 7, 2006 - Complainant filed original complaint - 4 documents included as evidence
March 22, 2006 - NSBS to Complainant - signed Barry Marchand , Officer, Complaints and Investigations
April 10, 2006
- Complainant to NSBS
April 27, 2006
- NSBS to Complainant- signed Elaine Cummings, Professional Responsibility Counsel
May10, 2006
- Complainant to NSBS
May 25, 2006 - NSBS to Complainant- signed Victoria Rees, Director of Professional Responsibility
July 2, 2006
- Complainant to NSBS



To: Director of Professional Responsibility March 7, 2006
Nova Scotia Barristers’ Society
Centennial Building
1101-1645 Granville Street
Halifax, NS B3J 1X3

In 1999, I approached Children’s Services for help for my daughter when it was obvious that she was suffering from depression and was not bonding with her new baby. I requested assistance in finding mental health counseling for my daughter. No such services were offered to her. Instead, the Minister of Community Services moved in and destroyed my family by taking legal action against my daughter and her boyfriend for alleged neglect over a 2 week period after my daughter removed my grandson from my home.

This case, *********** (later renumbered as ***********), commenced March 2000 and continued until October 2001. The parties in this case were;


1. the Minister of Community Services (Applicant).
2. my daughter **********, and ************ (Respondents),
3 me, ********** (third party),

I bring complaint to the Barristers’ Society against 2 lawyers:


1.Gordon Kelly (Blois, Nickerson & Bryson) - legal counsel for the Minister
of Community Services
and
2. Peter Crowther (Newton & Associates) - my
legal counsel

Neither Gordon Kelly, nor Peter Crowther should have participated in this court case because both lawyers had participated in a previous legal matter concerning my daughter - a private adoption in 1996. In this previous case, Peter Crowther (MacIntyre Newton) was my daughter’s lawyer, and Gordon Kelly (Blois, Nickerson & Bryson) was legal counsel for the adopting parents.

Though my daughter removed my grandson from my house with the intention of raising him, the Dartmouth office of Children Services took advantage of my daughter’s situation and “convinced” her within a 2 week period to place him for adoption. As a result, my daughter worked proactively with Children’s Services against both the father and I, insisting now that she wanted my grandson adopted out.

I dismissed Peter Crowther within a very short time because I deemed his services sub-standard and, at the time, I fully informed him of these reasons. I found it very curious that the next time I was in the Devonshire courthouse in Halifax, Mr. Crowther, aware that I still had not obtained the services of another lawyer, proactively solicited me in the hallway, informing me that he would be willing to take me back as a client. Needless to say, I was not interested in the least.

It is also important to note that, at the time this case with the Minister of Community Services went to court, my daughter had expressed the wish for my grandson to be adopted out to the people who had adopted her first son and, as it turned out, both of these lawyers, Gordon Kelly and Peter Crowther worked on this adoption.

At the time of the court case, I had no knowledge of the previous connection these 2 lawyers had with my daughter until some time after the court case concerning this matter concluded. It was only then that I came across the documentation concerning my daughter and this 1996 adoption identifying Peter Crowther (MacIntyre Newton) as my daughter’s lawyer, and Gordon Kelly (Blois, Nickerson & Bryson) as legal counsel for the adopting parents.

I believe it is important to bring this to the attention of the NSBS. It was the responsibility of both of these lawyers to make sure that there was no conflict of interest before they accepted this case. Because of this conflict of interest concerning both my lawyer and the Minister’s lawyer, serious questions need to be raised concerning the intention of these 2 men concerning my grandson. I find it hard to believe that it was just a mere coincidence that not one, but two, lawyers who were previously connected with my daughter in the adoption of my first grandson were both connected with the case concerning the apprehension of my second grandson.

Families are important and sacred. I respectfully request that these lawyers to be disciplined to the full extent of your powers.

Sincerely Yours,

**************
cc **************
Michel P. Samson, MLA - Richmond, Liberal Justice Critic
Kevin Deveaux, MLA -Cole Harbour-Eastern Passage, NDP Justice Critic
Murray K. Scott, MLA - Cumberland South, Attorney General and Minister of Justice,Minister responsible for the Human Rights Act


Enclosed: [Hand written on original handed in to NSBS]


Consent for adoption dated June 5/1996
Certificate of Independent Legal Advice dated June 5/1996
Letter fr. Peter Crowther -dated June 24, 1996
Letter fr. Gordon Kelly dated June 20, 1996

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From:
Nova Scotia
Barristers’ Society

March 22, 2006


Dear ************:

I acknowledge receipt of your letter and attachments dated March 7, 2006 in which you raised concerns over alleged conflict of interest by two lawyers, Mr. Gordon Kelly and Mr. Peter Crowther in representation of your daughter’s matter.

The Nova Scotia Barristers’ Society’s Professional Responsibility Department investigates concerns which reveal allegations of conduct unbecoming a lawyer, professional incompetence or professional misconduct with respect to a lawyer’s practice of law.

As you have identified two lawyers in your complaint letter, I am asking that you submit individual complaints against each lawyer for investigation. I have enclosed two copies of the complaint form and brochure that explains the Complaint Resolution process.

All complaints must be received in writing and provide evidence and specific details in support of their allegations. We ask that you provide any additional documentation to support your allegations against each lawyer and to send us copies only.

If you have any questions, please call.

Sincerely,
Barry Marchand
Officer, Complaints and Investigations
Enclosures

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To
Nova Scotia Barristers’ Society April 10, 2006
Centennial Building
1101-1645 Granville Street
Halifax, NS B3J 1X3

Barry Marchand, Officer, Complaints and Investigations:

RE: Complaint filed with NSBS March 10, 2006.

Thank you for your letter dated March 22, 2006. Let me clarify a few important facts. First of all, on March 10, 2006, I submitted my written complaint to Ms. Marion Ritchie, the receptionist at Suite 1101, 1645 Granville Street, Halifax, Nova Scotia. M.D. was present with me at the time and was witness to this transaction. As proof of this submission, Ms. Ritchie signed a receipt, dated March 10, 2006, for same, also witnessed by M.D.

Second, the actions of these two lawyers became a conflict of interest in my matter, not my daughter’s. Both of these lawyers participated in a previous adoption matter with my daughter. This did not become a conflict of interest until these same two lawyers became actively involved in the subsequent legal matter involving the Minister of Community Services where I was Third Party. As previously stated, at the time, I was not aware of this conflict of interest, but I am also aware that it is the responsibility of the lawyers to be sure that there is no conflict of interest with any of the parties involved. My daughter and I were the only **********s in Nova Scotia (this should help when checking for conflict of interest) and the previous adoption matter was less than 4 years previous.

I believe, I made myself very clear in my original letter of complaint that I was not only raising a complaint of conflict of interest but that I was also raising an even more grave concern that both these lawyers had been involved in the same previous adoption matter - and yet - both did not detect this conflict of interest even though both had worked together on this previous matter.

“ It was the responsibility of both of these lawyers to make sure that there was
no conflict of interest before they accepted this case. Because of this conflict
of interest concerning both my lawyer and the Minister’s lawyer, serious
questions need to be raised concerning the intention of these 2 men concerning
my grandson. I find it hard to believe that it was just a mere coincidence that
not one, but two, lawyers, who were previously connected with my daughter in the
adoption of my first grandson, were both connected with the case concerning the
apprehension of my second grandson.”

Because of the circumstances of this case, it is critical that this complaint stands as I submitted it - the actions of both of these lawyers need to be investigated together, at the same time, by the same people.

And again I repeat “Families are important and sacred. I respectfully request that these lawyers be disciplined to the full extent of your powers.”


Yours Sincerely,

********************

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From:
Nova Scotia
Barristers’ Society

April 27, 2006

Dear ************:

Re: Your Complaint against Gordon Kelly and Peter Crowther
I acknowledge receipt of your complaint against Gordon Kelly and Peter Crowther dated Match 7, 2006 as well as your email to Barry Marchand dated April 10, 2006.

By letter dated March 22, 2006, Mr. Marchand requested that you submit individual complaints against each lawyer for investigation and to provide evidence and specific detail in support of your allegations, however you have declined to do so.

The Nova Scotia Barristers’ Society’s Professional Responsibility Department investigates concerns which reveal allegations of conduct unbecoming a lawyer, professional incompetence or professional misconduct With respect to a lawyer’s practice of law. A copy of our brochure is enclosed for your information.

In your complaint, you have alleged that Mr. Kelly and Mr. Crowther were in a conflict of interest as a result of their involvement in what appears to be an application by the Minister of Community Services for apprehension of another of your daughter’s children in 1999.

It appears that in 1996, Mr Kelly represented the adoptive parents and Mr. Crowther represented the natural parents. In 1999, Mr. Kelly represented the Minister of Community Services and Mr. Crowther represented you, as a third party. It is not clear from your complaint what your position was in relation to this action. It is important to note that a lawyer is not automatically in conflict of interest by virtue of having acted in a matter involving the same or similar parties to those in a current matter.

I understand that this situation has been difficult for you. However, without evidence or specific details to substantiate your allegations, we have no basis to commence an investigation.

Please provide additional evidence to support your allegations, otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint.

Sincerely
Elaine Cumming
Professional Responsibility Counsel
Encl.

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To :
Nova Scotia Barristers’ Society May 10, 2006
2006Centennial Building
1101-1645 Granville Street
Halifax, NS B3J 1X3

Barry Marchand, Officer, Complaints and Investigations,
Elaine Cummings, Professional Responsibility Counsel
Victoria Rees, Director of Professional Responsibility and
Marion Ritchie, Receptionist for NSBS :

RE: Complaint filed with NSBS March 10, 2006.

I acknowledge receipt of the letter from Elaine Cummings dated April 27, 2003 as well as the previous letter from Barry Marchand dated March 22, 2006. By the way - NO enclosures were included in the letter from Elaine Cummings.

First of all, I suggest that you go back to my original letter of complaint that was filed March 10, 2006 as witnessed by M.D.. Included in my filing are copies of 4 document which Ms. Marion Ritchie, the receptionist at Suite 1101, 1645 Granville Street, Halifax, Nova Scotia, copied from the originals. I handed all of these document to her with my original letter of complaint and itemized all the documents in handwriting at the bottom of the original complaint as enclosures. I detail those enclosures here:



1 and 2. The Consent For Adoption, and the Certificate of Independent Legal Advice , both dated June 5th,1996, and both signed by Peter Crowther .
In the Consent For Adoption it states “I hereby consent to the adoption of ____ _____ ________ by ******and *******.” [As it turns out, he became the future (now past) president of the NS _______ Association]
In the Certificate of Independent Legal Advice,
Peter Crowther writesI acted solely for ____ ____ _____[the father] and ______ ______ _____, the mother of the child, _____ _____ ________, in this matter.

3. A signed letter from Gordon R. Kelly to Peter Crowther dated June 20, 1996 and stamped received June 21, 1996
Re: The Proposed Adoption of _____ _____ _______ (Born the __th day of ___, ____) by ******** and ********* with a cc to ******** and ********:
In this letter, Gordon Kelly states, “ Thank you for your letter of June 7, 1996. I have requisitioned funds from my client for payment of your account and will be in receipt of same shortly.”

4. A signed letter from Peter Crowther to _________(my daughter) dated June 24, 1996 RE: ADOPTION OF _________ ________ : In this letter Peter Crowther states, “Please find enclosed a copy of a letter I have recently received from Gordon R Kelly, Solicitor for the adoptive parents of your son.”

I trust you have not misplaced these documents but if you have I would be more then willing to supply everyone with additional copies.

I also suggest that you reread my original letter of complaint. What do you not understand?

I was Third Party. I was fighting to get my grandson out of the system, back home where he belonged-with me . The father was fighting to get his son out of the system as well - My daughter, who had not bonded with this child and who had not even been directed to any services that would help her after I had requested this for her from Children’s Services, was not fighting to keep this child in the family. It is important to note that my daughter recently stated “I asked for services at the beginning, the middle and the end [of the court process] and nothing was ever given to me.”

What other evidence do you want? I have already given you the file number of the case that I and my family was involved in.

As for splitting my complaint in two, in his letter of March 22, 2006, Barry Marchand positioned this as a request:

“I am asking that you submit individual complaints against each lawyer for investigation.”
In turn, in my communication dated April 10, 2006, I informed you that I was declining this request, clearing explaining my reasons - These reasons have not changed.
If you continue to press me to split my complaint, I will insist that you prove to me that that I must do so.

I reiterate : “ Because of the circumstances of this case, it is critical that this complaint stands as I submitted it - the actions of both of these lawyers need to be investigated together, at the same time, by the same people. And again I repeat ‘Families are important and sacred. I respectfully request that these lawyers to be disciplined to the full extent of your powers.’ “

Sincerely,

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Enclosures: Attachment includes copies of all communications between NSBS and me concerning this complaint

cc ***********
Michel P. Samson, MLA - Richmond, Liberal Justice Critic
Kevin Deveaux, MLA -Cole Harbour-Eastern Passage, NDP Justice Critic
Murray K. Scott, MLA - Cumberland South, Attorney General and Minister of Justice, and Minister responsible for the Human Rights Act



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From:
Nova Scotia
Barristers’ Society

May 25, 2006

Dear ***********:

Re: Your Complaint against Gordon Kelly and Peter Crowther

I acknowledge receipt of your complaint against Gordon Kelly and Peter Crowther dated March 7, 2006, your e-mail, with attachments, dated April 10, 2006, and your e-mail, with attachments dated May 10, 2006. By letter dated March 22, 2006, Mr. Marchand requested that you submit individual complaints against each lawyer for investigation and to provide evidence and specific details in support of your allegations, a request that was reiterated in Ms. Cummings letter of April 27, 2006, however you have declined to do so.

The Nova Scotia Barristers’ Society’s Professional Responsibility Department investigates concerns which reveal allegations of conduct unbecoming a lawyer, professional incompetence or professional misconduct with respect to a lawyer’s practice of law.

In your complaint, you state that Mr. Kelly represented the adoptive parents of your daughter’s child. In relation to that adoption, Mr. Crowther represented your daughter and her child’s father.

In 1999, Mr. Kelly represented the Minister of Community Services and Mr. Crowther represented you, as a third party, in relation to what appears to have been an application by Child and Family Services for the apprehension of another of your daughter’s children.

The only party in common in these two matters is your daughter. There is no evidence that Mr. Crowther was acting against the interests of your daughter in the 1999 matter. You have also not provided any evidence that would show that Mr. Crowther’s loyalty to you was in any way impacted by his previous representation of your daughter. As well,, there is no evidence that Mr. Kelly was acting against the interest of his former clients, the adoptive parents, while representing the Minister in 1999. In any event, lawyer are permitted to act against former clients in fresh and independent matters that are wholly unrelated to a matter in which the lawyer represented that person.

There has been no evidence provided that would indicate that the 1996 and the 1999 matters are in any was related. They appear to have involved two different children and one was a private adoption while the other was an application by a government agency. The fact that both matters involved your daughter does not make the two matters the same or even related .

I understand that this situation has been difficult and emotional for you. However, without evidence or specific details to substantiate your allegations, we have no basis to commence an investigation. Futhermore, on the basis of the information you did provide, the facts, if proven, would not constitute professional misconduct, conduct unbecoming, or professional incompetence. As a result pursuant to regulations 9.2.2(a)(iii), your complaint against Mr. Kelly and Mr. Crowther has been dismissed.

Pursuant to Regulation 9.3.1, you are entitled to have this decision reviewed. If you wish to pursue that option, you are required to write to the Executive Director requesting a review of the decision within (30) days of receipt of this letter.

Please note that any decision resulting from such a review is final

Sincerely

Victoria Rees
Director of Professional Responsibility
VR/egc
c. Gordon Kelly
Peter Crowther
Bruce Outhouse, Q.C.
John A Young, Q.C.
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To:
Nova Scotia Barristers’ Society July 2, 2006
Centennial Building
1101-1645
Granville Street Halifax, NS B3J 1X3

Barry Marchand, Officer, Complaints and Investigations,
Elaine Cummings, Professional Responsibility Counsel
Victoria Rees, Director of Professional Responsibility and

RE: Complaint filed with NSBS March 10, 2006 which included document EVIDENCE!

Victoria, Victoria, Victoria, Victoria! Up until now, I have been patient, polite and thorough with all of my communications to you. You are denying me due process and you full well know it.
The Barristers Society has done nothing to assist me, consistently not recognizing the documented evidence I submitted with the original complaint, ignoring my questions for clarification, ignoring the fact that I informed you that I had not received the unnamed pamphlet that Ms Cummings thought was important enough, at least, to attempt, to put in the last communication, and steadfastly refusing to give me any response to my request for proof that I had to divide my complaint in two. I am still requesting this pamphlet and seeking this proof !

Every time I wrote to the Barristers’ Society someone different replied, First Barry Marchand on March 22, 2006, then Elaine Cumming on April 27, 2006 and then you, Victoria, on May 25, 2006.

In the last communication I received from the Barristers’ Society, dated April 27, 2006, I was informed that I had “no basis to commence an investigation “ and “we will be unable to process your complaint” In addition, there is no indication that copies of my original complaint was sent to the lawyers in question. From all this, I understood that my complaint was not acceptable as submitted and would not even be processed - that I, in fact, had not even gotten through the front door. Together with the fact that you have steadfastly refused to answer my questions or give me the information requested, the Barristers‘ Society has not dealt honorable with me .
Taking all this into account, I do not see that you have the grounds to “dismiss” a complaint that, according to the communications given me, does not even fit the criteria to be “processed”. In addition - I challenge this 30 days to appeal - on the grounds mentioned above and on the grounds that this letter was NOT delivered to me in a timely manner and was NOT sent registered mail.

This is NOT the first time that I have made a complaint to the Barristers’ Society so I am well aware of the process. Earlier, I had made a complaint against Valerie Paul-Romkey for the quality of services she had rendered me in this same case after I had dismissed Peter Crowther. Though Valerie should have received a harsher decision then she got, she did receive 2 cautions. Poor Valerie, being a lowly female lawyer, she obviously did not rate the same protection that you are extending to Mr. Kelly - and, I am well aware that it is Mr. Kelly that you are bent on protecting .

The complaint process that I experienced was an exchange of letters back and forth between me and the lawyer in question through the Barristers’ Society. Through these letters clarifications, evidence and even new accusations were raised. You, by this sudden, inappropriate dismissal have denied me due process.

As for your pretense of being totally devoid of logic - shame on you! This is just further evidence of the sham our justice system has become, and I am ashamed to say, I see this every time I enter a family court in Nova Scotia as a court observer.

I know I am wasting my time, because it is very apparent that you are all determined to play out this farce to the end, or perhaps working in such a demented environment, you have somehow come to believe your own illogical thought patterns. Anyhow, here it is again: These lawyers had a conflict of interest with ME !

If I had known Peter Crowther had been my daughter’s lawyer in the previous adoption case - or, for that matter, any other case - I never would have hired him in the first place ! -Why would I? That I fired this lawyer was evidence that I believed he was not doing the job I felt he should be doing for me .

And, as for Gordon Kelly, if I had known he had been the lawyer for the adopting parents of my first grandson - whether my daughter had said anything about wanting these people to adopt him or not - I would have challenged, in court, his right to work on this case. Keep in mind - there was 2 lawyers on the case for the Minister- this is not the usual - even after I became self-represented !

And then , you say there is NO connection between the cases! Give my head a shake! ! Both of the children in question were my grandsons ! Yes, one was a private adoption, which, as a matter of fact, I supported my daughter in. I was there, at the hospital, when my daughter, both of us tear-stained, handed this precious little boy over to the adopting parents. I, in fact, was the person who made the connection with a mutual acquaintance which put my daughter in contact with the adopting parents. My daughter had made the decision to give this child up for adoption before he was born.

Yes, the other was a case against my daughter and the father put forth by the Minister of Community Services to take my [second] grandson into permanent care. I was Third Party in this case. This child was one year old at the time he was taken. He was a happy, bright, and personable little fellow. For his first 9 months he lived with both me and his mother, the next 2 ½ months with me, and the next 2 weeks, the weeks in question, with his mother and other family.

I had sought help for my daughter’s “Baby Blues” from the beginning but the Minister did nothing to direct my daughter to counseling, as requested - Instead, my daughter was convinced to give up her hope of raising this child , and was used by the Minister to fight both me and the father who had bonded with him and loved him desperately.

You cannot say these cases are not related. IF the Minister had won this case, then my second grandson would have been adopted out - And with both of the lawyers who had participated in the first adoption, present in this court case with the Minister, it does not take rocket science to figure out what was afoot !

Because neither one of these lawyers informed either myself or the Court of their connection with the adoption of my first grandson, I was denied my right to challenge Gordon Kelly’s right to be on this case, and, as already stated, I never would have hired Peter Crowther in the first place!

As a court witness and advocate, I have been ashamed to witness great injustices and a lack of respect for the law and due process in our courts in Nova Scotia.

Do not bother inserting your (and I am speak to everyone in the Barristers Society here) false phrase of sympathy “I understand that this situation has been difficult and emotional for you” because either you knowingly, with full understanding, inflict this injustice on me, and others who seek redress through your Society or your logic has become so demented, encouraged by the already demented group-think, that you have convinced yourselves that what you are doing is right.

In the end, it will not be you who will make judgment, neither will it be I , nor the Barristers’ Society, nor the judges or the justices of Nova Scotia.

I do not need your false sympathy because I have a “peace that passes all understanding” - does anyone recognize where that phrase comes from? - because I know, in the end, we will all have The Ultimate Judge who sees all things, who knows all things, even the very secrets of your heart, who cannot be manipulated, and is never self-deceived.

May you all sleep well tonight. I know I will.

Sincerely and with truth,

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A few notes:

1. Very Important ! Victoria Reese did not acknowledge my original attachments with the original complaint which were copies of the documents I gave them!

2. I have not declined to submit evidence. I had already given documents that they seem to want to ignore and not acknowledge. I also asked them for clarification on what else they might want - they have not responded to this request of mine. If this letter is suppose to be clarification, you don’t clarify and dismiss at the same time! This is not allowing due process. And I HAVE given specific details concerning the case.

3. I requested that they give me proof that I must split my complaint - they have not given this to me and totally ignored my request for clarification.

4. I mentioned in my last letter that nothing was enclosed in the last letter that I received from Elaine Cumming as stated in her last letter to me . She stated that she was enclosing an unspecified brochure . And the NSBS made no effort to get this information to me when I brought it to their attention in my last letter.

5. I am dumbfounded that because they state these are different children (both my grandchildren) and because one case was an adoption and one an action by Community Services (which then could lead to an adoption - to the original adopting parents) that there is no conflict of interest.

6. And there being no conflict of interest with my daughter and the adopting parents is NOT the issue and they DARN WELL know it!

Me and the father were fighting to keep this child in the family - this past relationship was a conflict of interest to us! The father of the first child was not the father of the second. I was a party who was fighting for this child, as was the father! The Minister’s lawyer was the same lawyer who arranged the first adoption and my lawyer had been my daughter’s lawyer!

As for evidence against Mr. Crowther - he had the obligation to inform me that he had worked for my daughter in the past. If I had known this, I never would have hired him in the first place - When Mr. Crowther was working for me, my daughter was actively working with the Minister against both me and the father. And I fired mr Crowther for incompetence !

As for Mr. Kelly acting against the interest of the former adopting parents ? Give my head a shake ! The concern was that he had been brought in to this case along with James Leiper and that he, because of his previous relationship with these adopting parents, was not acting in the best interest of the child, as a lawyer to the Minister should, but was acting to ensure that this child was indeed taken by the Minister so he could later be adopted out. If I had known who he was, I would have challenged his right to work on this case.

7. Come on now - Not one, but 2 lawyers that were involved in the first adoption case, BY CHANCE?, became involved in this case and neither one informs either me or the Court of their previous involvement in the first case!

8. Also - from all the communication given thus far, I understood that this complaint had not even been formally recognized as such because I had not complied with their requirements to file separate complaints! - Which again I reiterate - I asked them to show proof of my need to do so and they ignored my request! So how can they dismiss a complaint they have not formally recognized , or as Ms Cumming put it in her last letter “process“? From this letter, my understanding was the process had not even begun!

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Thursday, September 13, 2007

30. Stephen Kimber - Ongoing Media Support

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Stephen Kimber - Ongoing Media Support


First of all we want to thank Stephen Kimber for his ongoing media support concerning some of the issues we have with CAS/ CFS and the government Agency that apprehends children and unjustly destroys innocent families.

More importantly, I am thankful that Mr Kimber is able to see and understand the bigger issues behind these stories - All our families are at risk and we must speak up - we must take a stand. The system is corrupt and we must expose this corruption, if there is any hope of fixing it.

Read this informative 2005 article, Columnist turns activist , on Kimber himself.

When we first started our advocacy work, we got all kinds of excuses from the media for not writing stories criticizing the government concerning Children Services. They ranged from:

“I tried to write a story on these issues before but my editor won’t let me”,

“I wrote a similar story before but I got my knuckles rapped and I won’t do this again”,

“We don‘t have the financial resources to properly research these stories“,

“If the government comes after us we don’t have the financial resources to defend ourselves.“ and

“The government has threatened us that they will take us to court if we publish this.”

Kimber's Articles: (listed in chronological order)

1. Shirley Street Stand-Off May 30, 2004

2. Unanswered questions from the Shirley Street Standoff Aug 15, 2004

3. The crime of being a pain September 19, 2004

4. The taking of Mona Clare... Again September 26, 2004

5. Best interests of the child or Children’s Aid? February 27, 2005

6. Why we need a public inquiry into the taking of Mona Clare May 29, 2005

7. Open Letter to Justice Minister Michael Baker June 07, 2005

8. Potholes litter path to public inquiry July 4th, 2005

9. Justice Minister should know better when it comes to Children's Aid Sunday, July 10, 2005

10. Committee? Check. - Justice? Maybe no Sunday, December 18, 2005

11. Will the province learn Judge Nunn’s lessons? Dec 10, 2006

12. Committee? What committee? : Revisiting the (non) review committee ( web name ) Mar 25, 2007 / Children's Act needs work (newspaper name) March 27/2007

13. Wright and Wrong: Wright the wrong man for the job (web name) / Wrong member on review body : Community Services shows contempt for its own processes (newspaper name) July 5, 2007

14. Police review of standoff: Police learn nothing from standoff (web name) / Little revealed in standoff review (paper name) Aug 2, 2007

15. Shirley Street standoff report revisited : Blacked-out bits raise questions (web name ) / Beneath the black marker: Curiosity uncovers a secret in the Shirley Street standoff review (newspaper name ) Aug 9, 2007

Kimber's Articles: (Listed in legal order - Most recent 1st)

Square brackets[ ] are added notes and comments.

15. Shirley Street standoff report revisited : Blacked-out bits raise questions / Curiosity uncovers a secret in the Shirley Street standoff review
Aug 9, 2007

By Stephen Kimber

“Satiable curiosity,” as Kipling called it, is one of the peculiar traits of the journalist. I have spent more hours than I can count — or should admit to — trying to decipher the usually meaningless upside-down writing on the desks of people I am interviewing. Or listening in on banal conversations to which I am not a party.

Which may explain how I came to be hunched over a spotlight last week, squinting, trying to make out what was hidden beneath the black felt-markered-out sections of the copy of the Halifax Regional Police Operational Review of the Shirley Street standoff.

Last week, I wrote about what was in the publicly released portion of that much delayed report I had received through a Freedom of Information request. It focused on the police department’s role in a controversial May 2004 incident in which heavily armed police used a battering ram to smash their way into a Halifax home in the middle of the night to execute a Children’s Aid apprehension order for an infant.

This week, I want to talk about the parts I wasn’t supposed to see.

To be fair, the police only blacked out three small sections of the 16-page report. In his cover letter to me, Deputy Chief Tony Burbridge cited two sections of the Protection of Privacy and Freedom of Information Act to justify what he described as the “severed parts of the record.” The first was that disclosing the information “would be reasonably be expected to harm law enforcement and harm the effectiveness of investigative techniques or procedures…” The second was that the information “would be an unreasonable invasion of a third party’s personal privacy.”

So, of course, I peeked. And peered. And stared. And held the documents up to the light to see what, if anything, they might reveal.

I was unable to decipher anything from two of the excisions, which were among a catalogue of what the report described as “numerous tactics… utilized in attempting to reach a successful resolution of the incident.”

But the third blacked-out section — about an incident before the stand-off when the police were still trying to find out where Carline VandenElsen had disappeared to with her baby daughter — turned out to be at least partially readable.

And intriguing.

In the chronology, the incident occurs sometime between Feb. 23, when a Det/Cst. Webber contacted a Children’s Aid official to update her on the progress of the investigation, and Feb, 26, 2004, just three days later, when Larry Finck, the father of the little girl and husband of Carline, came to police headquarters asking to lay a complaint against Children’s Aid “for conspiracy in the abduction of his child.”

Which means that the subject of this blacked-out section occurred more than a month after police first unsuccessfully tried to enforce the apprehension order and almost two full months before police attempts to seize the child touched off a three-day SWAT team siege at the Finck home.

Here’s what I can read: “Det/Cst. Webber met with Senior Crown Attorney Frank Hoskins to discuss proceeding with —“ which is followed by a few words I can’t read — “He advised that there were insufficient grounds at this time to support prosecution. Barbara MacPherson of Children’s Aid was advised of this decision.”

Which raises an interesting question.

How does this information match up with the department’s stated explanations for refusing to disclose this particular section to me?

Surely, consulting with a Senior Crown on whether there are grounds to lay charges is commonplace police procedure, hardly the sort of top-secret investigative technique the Act is supposed to allow police to keep confidential.

As for violating the privacy rights of a third party, the fact is that both the cop and Barbara MacPherson, a CAS case worker, are already identified in several sections of the report released to me. And Frank Hoskins is a public official acting in a public capacity.

So which of the stated exemptions applies in this case?

If neither do — and it appears they don’t — then why did the police decide to try to keep this small section of the report from my prying eyes?

Could it be that they simply didn’t want to publicly admit there were no grounds to lay charges against anyone in this case until police officers banged on the door in the middle of the night of May 19 and turned a family matter into a criminal case that changed the lives of all of those involved?

And what does that say about the police department’s commitment to openness and transparency?

Stephen Kimber is the Rogers Communications Chair in Journalism at the University of King’s College. In 2004, he was a member of an ad hoc citizen’s group that campaigned unsuccessfully for a public inquiry into this case. His column, “Kimber’s Nova Scotia,” appears in the Sunday Daily News.



14. Police learn nothing from standoff
Aug 2, 2007 By Stephen Kimber

The Halifax Regional Police learned nothing from 2004’s costly three-day Shirley Street standoff — because there was nothing for them to learn. They did everything right.

That, at least, is the pre-determined conclusion of the department’s self-serving, butt-covering, two-years-in-the-making, 16-page internal review of “Incident Number 04-21470.”

That is the blandly bureaucratic designation for the infamous case in which police bungled efforts to execute a Children’s Aid Society apprehension order to seize the infant daughter of Larry Finck and Carline VandenElsen. That quickly escalated into a 67-hour siege, complete with barricaded suspects, a shot fired, deployment of a heavily-armed SWAT team, the evacuation of a Halifax neighbourhood, the natural-causes death of Finck’s mother [The grandmother, Mona Finck, died of a heart attack. Since when is a heart attack a "natural cause"?] who was inside the house at the time, prison terms for both VandenElsen and Finck and the end of any hope their infant daughter might have had for a normal family life.

One hopes the reason the police didn’t release the report’s findings publicly themselves — I had to get my only slightly blacked-out copy through a Freedom of Information application — is because they’re embarrassed by it.

One hopes…

Though the report deals with, or, more accurately, dismisses questions about the entire chain of events — from the department’s initial attempt on Jan. 15, 2004 to execute a court order to take the infant into protective custody to the moment the child was finally grabbed on May 21, 2004 — let’s look today only at the critical decisions police officers made on the night of May 19. Those were the ones that turned what should have been a routine custody matter into a matter of life and death.

Having heard rumours that VandenElsen — who’d disappeared with her daughter around the time of the initial court order — had been spotted back in Halifax in the company of Finck in the criminal act of “pushing a baby stroller in the area of Vernon and Shirley Street,” the police immediately mounted a full-scale, drug-style surveillance operation.

Early that evening, they followed the couple to a Wal-Mart and watched as they clandestinely “purchased baby supplies.” After shadowing the dangerous duo back to their Shirley Street address with their fresh-bought diapers, one of the officers peeked in a window and saw Finck with “an infant he assumed” to be their daughter.

One assumes, though the report doesn’t say so, that the infant did not appear to be in mortal danger from her father at the time.

At that point — after 10:30 at nightpolice officers made the fateful decision to snatch the child immediately rather than wait for morning, or for the couple — who seemed blissfully unaware police were on to them — to leave the house again.

Why not wait? There is no evidence the child — supposedly the reason for all of this — was in immediate danger.

Was it a budgetary decision? Did police gamble a swift snatch-and-grab would be cheaper than the hard slog of continuing surveillance and safe apprehension? If so, they blew it badly.

The report never really addresses those questions, though it does attempt to justify the fact senior officers dispatched three uniformed police to pound on the door at 12:34 a.m.

Finck and VandenElsen, the report says, “were known to be violent towards police.”

While that makes an even more compelling argument for caution, we need to ask on what basis the police determined this. The report offers no backup for its assertion.

VandenElsen, it’s true, had been charged with abducting her children from a previous marriage, but a jury had acquitted her in that case. An appeals court had ordered a new trial, but it hadn’t yet taken place. There’s no evidence I’ve seen she was ever violent toward police.

As for Finck, he’d served two years for kidnapping a daughter from a previous relationship and was certainly well known to challenge authority. [The mother of this child was dead and was in the custody of an Uncle whom Larry believed was assaulting his daughter] Did he have a history of actual violence against police? Not that I’m aware of.

The reality, as police know all too well, is that custody cases are emotional and volatile. That’s why prudent decision-making is vital to prevent an incident from escalating out of control.

The report claims police officers “do not have discretion” in enforcing apprehension orders, which is, of course, ludicrous. While they may not have a choice in whether to enforce an order, they have lots of leeway in how to do it.

Police decisions in this case led to an expensive, disruptive standoff, criminal convictions for two people who wanted nothing more than to raise their child and the total destruction, beyond repair, of a family — and yet the report claims there are no lessons to be learned.

Perhaps we will only begin to learn those lessons after a police officer — or a baby — is dead.

Stephen Kimber is the Rogers Communications Chair in Journalism at the University of King’s College. In 2004, he was a member of an ad hoc citizen’s group that campaigned unsuccessfully for a public inquiry into this case. His column, “Kimber’s Nova Scotia,” appears in the Sunday Daily News.


13. Wright the wrong man for the job
July 5, 2007
By Stephen Kimber

If you want to begin to understand the utter disdain Nova Scotia’s department of community services has for its own legislation — and for the people it is supposed to serve — consider its recent appointment of Robert Wright to the committee that is supposed to review the province’s Children and Family Services Act.

Wright is a senior community services bureaucrat, a former director of Cumberland County family and children’s services and executive director of the department’s recently announced youth strategy and services.

Incredibly, however, Wright has been named to the review committee as one of two persons “whose children have been, are or may be in need of protective services...” (italics very definitely mine).

When the Nova Scotia Family and Children’s Services Act was introduced in 1990, it was hailed as a progressive piece of legislation, but even its framers understood the act would need to be reviewed regularly to make sure it was still working to — in the words of the act — “protect children from harm, promote the integrity of the family and assure the best interests of children.”

Which is why the legislation required the minister to “establish an advisory committee whose function is to review annually the provisions of this act and the services relating thereto and to report annually to the minister concerning the operation of the act and whether the principles and purpose of the act are being achieved.”

The 10-member committee was supposed to represent all the key players in the child protection system, including not only agency representatives, legal aid workers and other insiders but also — specifically — two people whose experience was from the receiving end of child protective services.

Wright, whatever his many other sterling qualities, should not be a “parent” representative on this committee. (A government spokesperson says she can’t say what Wright’s specific qualifications are for the post “as it would be a breach of confidentiality,” noting only that the legislature’s toothless human resources committee appointed Mr. Wright.)

Regardless, the fact is he is an insider. He can’t help but represent — and be seen to be representing — the government’s vested interest in the review process. A government spokesperson claims the department sought “legal advice” before it appointed him; I’d love to see the verbal gymnastics involved in justifying that leap of lizardly legal logic!

The unhappy truth is that Wright’s appointment merely continues the pattern of cavalier contempt the department has shown for its own process.

[This contempt was also evident when Linda Youngson and Marilyn Dey took the Minister to court to force the Minister to appoint this committee as specified in section 88 of the Act itself. The sole arguement the government brought to the court was that "The Crown only owed it's duty to the Crown" and that individual citizens like Youngson and Dey did not have the right to bring the government to court to obey its own laws ! - Thank goodness, the Justice did not agree! ]

Between 1999 and 2005 [correction: 1996-2005] , this government didn’t even bother to appoint a review committee. It only reluctantly did so after two determined women [Youngson and Dey] — who’d had their own unhappy experiences with the system — took the minister to court two years ago.

After Supreme Court Justice Hilary Nathanson ordered the department to belatedly live up to its legal obligations, the then-minister, David Morse [Minister of Community Services], did his best to sabotage the ruling’s intent.

The legislation calls for the appointment of “two persons drawn from the cultural, racial or linguistic minority communities” in order to bring other perspectives to the table. Morse instead appointed two Children’s Aid Society staff members who, only incidentally, happened to come from those communities.

Morse named a personal friend as the first parent member on the committee. (The government, of course, wouldn’t even consider applications from the two women [Youngson and Dey] who’d taken the government to court and won; they clearly were too interested in the system’s workings. The department claims it’s still looking to fill the other parent vacancy on its committee.)

And now, thanks largely to the government’s ongoing efforts of hobble its work — delaying appointing new members to replace those who have resigned or whose terms have expired, naming people like Wright who clearly don’t belong — the committee is in a shambles. It still hasn’t even filed its last annual report, which would have been only the first since the courts ordered it to act.

None of this is intended as a knock on Robert Wright’s qualifications to serve as executive director of the new youth strategy the government has set up in response to the Nunn Commission report. Or even to suggest he could not represent the minister’s interests on the review committee; there are slots for that too.

But he cannot — and should not pretend to — represent the interests of those on the receiving end of the system.

If the minister doesn’t revoke his appointment, Wright should do the honourable thing and resign himself.

Stephen Kimber is the Rogers Communications Chair in Journalism at the University of King’s College. His column, “Kimber’s Nova Scotia,” appears in the Sunday Daily News.


12. Children's Act needs work (web title) / Committee? What committee? Revisiting the (non) review committee (newspaper titile) (Mar 25, 2007)
By Stephen Kimber The Daily News
Release Date: March 27/2007 ?

If my e-mail inbox is any indication, there are plenty of Nova Scotians who have serious concerns with this province's Children's and Family Services Act.


Back in 2004, there was a dramatic three-day standoff between a Halifax police SWAT team and parents Carline VandenElsen and Larry Finck over the Children's Aid Society's decision to seize their infant daughter.

Troubled by what I believed were too many questions about that incident, I joined an ad hoc group that lobbied, unsuccessfully, for a public inquiry into what led up to the siege.

Probably because of that, I still frequently get letters and e-mails from people who believe they and their children, or their grandchildren, have been ill-used by the system, especially provisions of the act that allow social workers to seize children they believe need protection.

Some of their stories are heart-wrenching, and frustrating, too, because there often seems little anyone can do to challenge what's happened.

They're not the only ones with concerns about this province's child-services system.

Last fall, a Halifax judge publicly threatened to haul Community Services Minister Judy Streatch into court to explain what her department was doing to help a troubled 16-year old girl in provincial care. The judge backed off, but the problem hasn't gone away.

Competing interests

There are no easy answers when you're trying to find the appropriate balance among the act's three, sometimes competing, purposes: "protect children from harm, promote the integrity of the family and assure the best interests of children."

For every tale of the seemingly arbitrary snatching of a child - like the Finck-VandenElsen case - there are equally troubling stories of children who should have been taken from their parents, and weren't.

And then, too, there are the horror stories of children abused in the very foster care that was supposed to protect them.

Which is one reason our Children's and Family Services Act includes a specific provision requiring the minister to appoint an advisory committee of people actually involved in the system - including "two persons whose children have been, are, or may be in need of, protective services" - to review the act each year, recommend changes and report back to the minister.

Everything you need to know about this government's lack of interest in child welfare is in the unhappy history of this committee.

There wasn't even a ["annual'] committee - let alone an annual review of the department's most important piece of legislation - between 1999 [correction 1993] and 2005.

That only finally, sort of, changed after Marilyn Dey and Linda Youngson - two women with unhappy personal experiences of the system - took the government to court in June 2005 to embarrass it into doing what its own legislation says it must do.

Unfortunately, this government doesn't embarrass easily.

Supreme Court Justice Hilary Nathanson finally ordered the department to appoint the committee in December 2005.

The department then did its best to sabotage the process. It appointed Children's Aid Society staff members to community positions reserved for francophone and minority groups, and named a friend of the then-minister to fill one of the parent positions. (Dey and Youngson applied; the government ignored them.)

The committee didn't get working until April last year.

Though it held hearings last fall, during which more than 30 groups [and individuals] made presentations, the committee eventually collapsed [?] when three of its seven designated members resigned or reached the end of their terms, and were not replaced. (One of the problems with the act is that committee members are only appointed for one-year terms.)

The committee had to cancel one scheduled meeting in January and was forced to turn its February session into an informal discussion because only two advisory committee members were present.

[This was a concern to two women, Linda Youngson and Thelma Gilespie who were scheduled to make presentations that day - They demanded and got a re-presentation date (they were rescheduled for June 2007) . However on this rescheduled date, they were still not given the respect of a quorum - in part because THERE HAS NOT BEEN A LEGAL COMMITTEE SINCE DECEMBER 2006 because all the members specified in the CFS Act that must be appointed to have a legal committee have NOT been on this committee since this date ]

"Am I frustrated?" asks Cheryl Harawitz, the veteran social worker and child-welfare advocate who chairs the advisory committee. "I guess I'm so used to working with bureaucracies that I don't let myself get frustrated."

This week, she finally got word from the minister that two of the committee vacancies are being filled, enough to allow the committee to at least meet. "We'll get things rolling again," Harawitz says.

October report?

So when will the committee report? Well, of course, it will take time for the new members to get up to speed and digest the reports and presentations already made.

By the end of October, Harawitz hopes.

And that, of course, is for the report that was supposed to be filed by the end of last year.

And so it goes.

[When Linda Youngson and Thelma Gilespie made their re-presentations in June, they heard excuses from several members of the committee for why they were NOT obligated to submit a public report as this committee did in 1993 and 1996. This was totally contrary to the information they were given by the 2 member committee they met with in February ! After their original presentations (Youngson had brought this very concern up in her presentation0 to this meger committee) they were assured that there would a public report.]

Stephen Kimber, the Rogers Communications Chair in Journalism at the University of
King's College, is an award-winning author of five nonfiction books and a novel,
Reparations.


11. Will the province learn Judge Nunn’s lessons?
Dec 10, 2006
By Stephen Kimber

To his credit, Justice Minister Murray Scott got it right. "I can't go back," he conceded in his first response to the release last week of Merlin Nunn’s report into the death of Theresa McAvoy. "I can only go ahead." But, he added with apparent sincerity, “we want to learn from this.”

His boss, on the other hand, clearly hadn't read -- or at least didn’t bother to think about -- the broader implications of the retired Nova Scotia Supreme Court judge’s comprehensive and far-reaching investigation.

"When you take a look at the issues that the Conservative government in Ottawa have been putting forward,” Premier Rodney MacDonald explained to reporters in his usual obscure way, “they've been very much in support of being stronger in that regard, so I applaud them." He kept his focus pinpoint-narrow on the Stephen-Harper, get-tough-on-crime, right-wing-agenda aspects of Judge Nunn’s report and blithely ignored a more important reality that was equally well-documented in the judge's exhaustive 381-page report and its 34 separate recommendations. The best — perhaps only — way to avoid future tragedies like Theresa McEvoy’s death is to deal with the root causes of youth crime before more young people "spiral out of control" like Archie Billard.

I don't mean to suggest here that those recommendations in the judge’s report that deal directly with protecting the public from dangerous young people are not important, or necessary. As Nunn makes clear, Ottawa needs to change the Youth Criminal Justice Act to broaden the definition of violent offenses and find ways to keep comparatively few, but potentially lethal young offenders off the streets while they await trial. And we need to streamline the legal process to make it much more efficient and effective in order to prevent exactly the kind of calamitous bureaucratic and technological breakdowns that blotted this case.

Nova Scotians, as Premier McDonald rightly pointed out, "want to know that the youth that are causing problems in our society... are being dealt with effectively, and that our judges and others have the powers necessary to deal with these issues."

That’s the easy part.

If, however, that is the only message the government takes from Justice Nunn's report, all his broader efforts — 23 volumes’ worth — will have been for nothing.

It is clear from Nunn’s report that Archie Billard’s life had spiraled out of control long before October 14, 2004, the day he got stoned, stole a Chrysler LeBaron and smashed it head-on into a car driven by McAvoy. The 52-year-old teacher’s aide and mother of three boys was killed instantly.

The province’s swift, knee-jerk decision to that tragedy — appoint Judge Nunn to conduct an inquiry — seemed, at first blush, little more than the political game of pin-the-blame-on-someone. There was widespread community outrage that Billard -- who was already facing numerous charges in connection with earlier joyriding incidents -- was not in jail at the time of the crash. So someone must pay.

To his credit, Nunn refused to take that easy route. And, instead of starting his inquiry at the point where Archie Billard first smacked up against the youth criminal justice system, Nunn unraveled that particularly messy ball of string backwards to show how and why Billard had ended up in trouble in the first place. His report clearly demonstrates that what happened in this case was “a system failure” that goes far beyond naming names and will require us, as a society, to accept collective responsibility for changing the conditions that create Archie Billards.

Nunn’s most important larger-picture recommendations, in fact, have to do with creating a comprehensive provincial strategymanaged by senior officials from community services, health, education and justice — to find ways to help youth at risk before the risk becomes criminal reality.

It won’t be easy. And success won’t come cheap. As regional school board spokesperson Doug Hadley pointed out, the judge’s recommendation that schools establish facilities for in-school suspensions, to take just one example, will mean not only finding physical space, hiring more bodies and creating new programs but also finding a way to balance those new demands with “the needs of the entire school population.”

Implementing all of Judge Nunn’s 34 recommendations will be a daunting and expensive but critically important task, and one that won’t be made easier when our premier — the person who should be showing leadership on the issue — doesn’t appear to even understand what the issues are.

Stephen Kimber, the Maclean Hunter Professor of Journalism at the University of King’s College, is the author of five nonfiction books and one novel.


10. Committee? Check. Justice? Maybe no
By Stephen Kimber
The Daily News Sunday, December 18, 2005

Graham Steele was frustrated. One of his constituents, a woman named Marilyn Dey, had come to him almost two years before, to ask for his help with a child custody case. But she'd buried the NDP MLA under the weight of so many documents and so much information - not just about her own case, but the cases of others she knew who were experiencing similar problems with the province's child welfare services - Steele was overwhelmed.

To complicate matters, she'd not only drawn connections among all those cases, but also tied them together with the intricate strands of any number of conspiracy theories to explain the why of the what.

Steele had tried to tell her he wasn't an investigator or a policeman, that neither he nor his colleagues had the resources or the authority to do the kind of investigations she wanted.

Which was why he was relieved earlier this year when Dey mentioned in passing that she'd discovered [Actually it was Linda Youngson] that an independent committee the government was supposed to appoint each year - to review how the child welfare act was working - had not been operational for at least three years.

"Now that," he said, "I can help you with."

Supreme Court

Trading in his MLA's podium for his lawyer's briefs, Steele filed an application [as lawyer for his clients Linda Youngson and Marilyn Dey] with the courts to force the minister of community services, David Morse, to appoint the review committee.

Last week, Nova Scotia Supreme Court Justice Hilroy Nathanson wasted little time in dismissing the government's dissembling justifications for inaction and ordered the minister to do it by the end of this month.

The fact is that the government - perhaps recognizing the ridiculousness of its own arguments - had already finally, belatedly, reluctantly begun naming people to serve on the 10-person committee."

When we filed the court papers June 27," Steel says, "they had appointed zero members."

By the time court convened at 11 a.m. on Dec. 13, nine of the 10 members of the review committee were in place, the last two named just two hours before the hearing.

While Steele says he personally knows some of those appointed to the committee "and they'll be fine," he noted that the appointment process itself "left a great deal to be desired."

By law, the committee's membership is supposed to include one representative each of the minister and a child welfare agency, a legal aid lawyer, two members from the province's "cultural, racial or linguistic minority communities" and - most importantly - "two persons whose children have been, are or may be in need of protective services."

The government pointedly dismissed applications from Dey and another woman, Linda Youngson, the second complainant in Steele's application, who wanted to serve as parent representatives.

And it ignored other individuals who'd volunteered to serve after reading about Steele's court application.

At the same time, the government courted others to come forward, even doing the paperwork for a least one nominee.

Society employees

The two names they initially put forward as minority representatives, in fact, turned out to be employees of the Children's Aid Society, the agency whose actions are most likely to be criticized. Talk about stacking the deck!

But the key appointees remain those two parent representatives. "The aim of the people who set this up," says Steele, was that those on the "receiving end of the system" be strongly represented on the committee.

So who has Morse named?

The man chosen to fill one of those two positions is Timothy Van Zoost, who ran provincially for the Conservatives a few elections ago. His qualification is that one of his children was in care before he adopted her. While that technically fits the criteria, it sure as hell doesn't give Van Zoost experience with having his child taken away from him, or with trying to get her back.

There is still one vacancy for a parent representative on the committee, one last chance for David Morse to get it right. Based on his track record, don't hold your breath.

Even after it is finally in place, however, it's worth asking what the committee can actually do. Can it look into the dozens of complaints from people like Dey about how [this was missing in printer article]

Can it go back to the spring of 2004 and finally conduct a real review of the controversial CAS seizure of Larry Finck's and Carline VandenElsen's infant daughter?

Steele says it can."It's supposed to be an independent committee," he explains. "The question is whether it will be willing to ask the tough questions. "

He pauses. "The fact is there is no other forum for these discussions. The committee is the only hope for those people who want answers to their questions."All of us should be watching to see what happens.

Stephen Kimber is a member of the MCF Inquiry Committee, a community group pushing for a public inquiry into the seizure of Larry Finck and Carline VandenElsen's baby.


9. Justice Minister should know better when it comes to Children's Aid
By Stephen Kimber
The Daily News Sunday, July 10, 2005

Justice Minister Michael Baker is no stranger to controversies over child protection in Nova Scotia.

Which may explain his reluctance to call a public inquiry into last year's Family Court decision to order the Halifax Children's Aid Society to seize the daughter of Larry Finck and Carline VandenElsen, despite a lack of evidence the infant was at risk.

Baker, a South Shore lawyer before becoming an MLA, served a good-works apprenticeship in the decade or so before he was first elected to the legislature in 1998.

He was vice-chairman of the Lunenburg County Regional Housing Authority, president of the Lunenburg Academy Foundation and - from 1992 to 1995 - a member of the board of Family and Children's Services of Lunenburg County (FCS), "a non-profit child-welfare agency dedicated to the protection of children from abuse and neglect."

In 1994, the Liberal government of the day appointed two Ontario social workers to conduct an independent review of the operations of that same Lunenburg FCS - the equivalent of Halifax's Children's Aid Society - following two shocking incidents in which FCS officials appeared to be the ones perpetrating the abuse and neglect.

In the first case, a five-week-old baby was shaken to death in 1993, three weeks after child-protection workers had received warnings the baby was being abused.

In the second the [Debra Stevens case] , workers at the agency had ignored complaints that children, in what the agency proudly described as a "very good" foster home, were being sexually abused. FCS actually continued to place children - 20 in all - with the family, even after learning of the allegations. It wasn't until five years after the first complaints that the foster father was finally found guilty - no thanks to FCS - of sexually abusing four youngsters in his care.

In truth, the review of the Lunenburg FCS only happened - three years after the guilty verdict - because Debra Stevens refused to go away. [see a synopsis of this case of this case at this hyperlink]

A single mother who'd been talked into turning her two sons over to children's services in 1985, Stevens became suspicious about the foster home into which her two sons had been adopted, and refused to stop asking questions.

The Family and Children's Services Agency initially ignored her complaints, or dismissed her as a "nuisance" - remind you of anyone, Mr. Minister? - and described her as a "social climber (who) went into a song and dance about being a single parent." The first social worker she dealt with reported that "Hopefully, (Stevens) got the message, as it was obvious that she appeared guilty."

Guilty of what? Caring about her children?

The outside reviewers the province finally appointed to look into what had gone wrong in that and the shaken-baby case concluded - in the words of a simple but telling precis offered by then-community services minister Jim Smith - "the system failed Debra and her family."

Incredibly, when Stevens tried to regain custody of her youngest son after the sexual-abuse charges were laid, FCS opposed the move, dispatching its own lawyers and four witnesses to the hearing to fight to keep the child with the wife of the man who'd abused her children (who was then out on bail).

Supreme Court Justice Walter Goodfellow not only awarded custody back to Stevens, but he also demolished the FCS's claim the woman [the foster mother] hadn't known the children were being abused by her husband: "If in fact she did not know, ignorance of such conduct could only be by willful blindness or negligence."

What does all of this have to do with Michael Baker now?

To be fair to Baker, he only joined the board after the courts had convicted the foster father, but that was still a full three years before the province - not the FCS - launched its review.

Knowing what he knows about what went on in Lunenburg, Baker should realize just how fallible children's services can be.

The Finck-VandenElsen case, of course, represents the flip side of what happened in Lunenburg. Instead of under-reacting to allegations of real abuse, the Halifax Children's Aid Society stands accused of over-reacting to vague concerns from Ontario Children's Aid and erroneous information from a not-disinterested ex-husband.

While that may put into clearer perspective the real-life dilemma child-protection workers face every day in trying to determine when a child is at real risk - something even those of us criticizing Children's Aid need to acknowledge - it also strengthens the argument that we need a public inquiry to find out what went wrong in the Finck-VandenElsen case, and make sure it doesn't happen again.

Let's hope it doesn't take another three years this time.



The Richard Cuthbertson article alluded to below appears next.
The Daily News (Halifax)
Sunday, May 30, 2004
Who are they?
By Richard Cuthbertson

A small bouquet of flowers wrapped in plastic lay on the doorstep of the lime green house at 6161 Shirley St. last week. Only days earlier, the house was the scene of a sensational three-day standoff involving Carline VandenElsen, her husband Larry Finck, their infant daughter and swarms of heavily armed police officers.

Police had arrived in the middle of night with a Children's Aid Society apprehension order in hand, but were turned away when the door to the home was barricaded and shots allegedly fired from inside.

Finck and VandenElsen face a myriad of charges in relation to the standoff, and their infant daughter has been taken by Children's Aid.

Meanwhile, it appears that someone placed those flowers at the house in memory of Finck's mother, Mona, who died in the house during the standoff.

We now know that Mona Finck lived on the street for more than three decades, and longtime residents like Mary Deyoung, said she was a familiar and well-liked face in the neighbourhood.
The circumstances surrounding her death date back years.

Larry Finck and VandenElsen are quickly becoming household names. Some see them as narcissistic, spurred by a sense of martyrdom, people who relish their battles with the justice system. Others see them as heroes in a fight pitting an overbearing, even menacing, state against the lawful rights of parents.

It seems odd (although some would say it's destiny) that two people whose lives have taken such remarkably similar tangents should meet, fall in love, marry and have a child together. But that's exactly what happened when they wed a year ago. Now, the couple is embroiled in a legal and custody battle that's become a low point in years of legal accusations, custody battles, and kidnapping trials.

Larry Finck's story began when his first daughter was born in Ontario in 1995. The mother died a year later, leaving custody of the child with her brother.

But Finck felt the girl should be with him and began a legal battle to gain guardianship.
As a younger man, Finck was no saint, said an old friend, Ron VandenBussche, who met Finck 20 years ago while organizing a senior league hockey team in London, Ont.

"He was a party boy, there's no doubt about it," said VandenBussche this week. Among other things, Finck was once reportedly busted by police for running an after-hours bootlegging club in London.

"He was just a character," said VandenBussche. "He'd been around the hockey wars and had a lot of good stories to tell. He was a streetwise guy."

But Finck, who became a master plumber, wanted to straighten out, said VandenBussche, and was preparing to bring up his young daughter in an old farmhouse he was renovating. At the time, Finck only had access to his daughter, including a two-week period during August 1999, when she visited him.

According to court records, Finck was due to return his daughter at the end of the month to her home on the Thames First Nation Reserve, where she was living with her uncle. Instead, he whisked her off to Halifax. Halifax Regional Police and arrested him a month later, returning Finck and his daughter to Ontario. Although offered legal aid, Finck defended himself against charges of kidnapping. According to court documents, he introduced 15 witnesses, attempting to justify his actions by demonstrating his daughter was in danger under the care of her uncle. But the judge in the case dismissed the claim that the girl was being mistreated and found Finck guilty, a ruling that was upheld on appeal. In the appeal decision, Justice Robert Armstrong wrote that far from being in danger, Finck's daughter was in good hands.

"There was no evidence that (Finck's daughter) was ever at risk physically, emotionally or psychologically," wrote Armstrong.

"The five physicians called to testify by (Finck) each described (Finck's daughter) as happy and in good health. The Children's Aid and Child and Family Service workers expressed no concern about her welfare. The two childcare workers described (Finck's daughter) as a happy, normally developing child."

The conviction landed Finck a two-year prison sentence. Judges have described Finck as confrontational, and even friends said the man isn't always easy to deal with.

"He's a smart guy and knows his way around the Criminal Code better than most lawyers," said London barrister William Dewar, who's known Finck for 25 years.

"And he's fearless. He'll stand up to the judges, even appeal court judges, tell them what the law is, look them in the eye. That's his problem: he's too smart by half."

But in a written decision obtained by The Daily News discussing Finck's application for parole in November 2001, the National Parole Board went further, suggesting that Finck's actions bordered on delusional.

"Your current obsessive type behaviour regarding the legal challenges you are making to the courts appears at times to be a departure from the generally shared perception of reality."
That doesn't make sense to VandenBussche, who said he's never thought twice about trusting his own 14-year-old daughter with Finck and VandenElsen.

He said he first met VandenElsen and her triplets by a previous marriage when they were his guests last summer at his home at Turkey Point on Lake Erie.

"She spent three days with us," said VandenBussche. "I thought she was a good mother. She disciplined the kids when they needed it, and was good to them when they needed it. They took my daughter and their kids down to the play-park, just like an ordinary family."

VandenElsen's story hit headlines in 2000 when she took off with her triplets, going on the run out of fear she would lose all custody to her ex- husband. The incident sparked an international search, while the woman spent three months zigzagging across the continent with her children, briefly spending time in Halifax. Her face was plastered on America's Most Wanted, a U.S. television program that profiles accused criminals on the lam. Authorities caught up to VandenElsen and the triplets in Acapulco, Mexico. The children were returned to their father, and VandenElsen faced three charges of kidnapping. But she beat the rap after a sympathetic jury was convinced that the kidnapping was justified because the children would have suffered emotional harm without access to their mother.

Despite the ruling, VandenElsen lost custody of her children in November. In a written decision of her appeal in the case, Justice Grant Campbell wrote: "It has become patently obvious to any person with any healthy sense of balance that these three children have become the vehicle by which Ms. VandenElsen has chosen to perpetuate her fixation with her own perceived victimization."

About a month later, VandenElsen gave birth to Finck's daughter in Halifax. According to Dewar, who's been in contact with Finck, the couple believed the Children's Aid Society wanted to take the child soon after she was born.

"Somebody recognized Carline in the hospital (in Halifax) and blew the whistle, and it wasn't long before the CAS down there got in the picture," said Dewar.

In the end, the child was taken after the 67-hour standoff, which ended when VandenElsen and Finck emerged from the Shirley Street house with their infant daughter, carrying a stretcher bearing the body of Mona Finck.

Mona Finck's funeral was a simple affair at St. Thomas Aquinas Church on Oxford Street, where she once worshiped. There was no eulogy, only prayers and quiet hymns -- belying, perhaps, the circumstances of her death.

rcuthbertson@hfxnews.ca

8. Potholes litter path to public inquiry
By Stephen Kimber
The Daily News, July 4th, 2005

It’s been an interesting week on the other side of the media trenches. I’ve recently become a member of a community group pushing for a public inquiry into the circumstances surrounding the seizure of the infant child of Larry Finck and Carline VandenElsen. I usually steer clear of joining such groups, partly because I already have a pulpit for my views, partly because I want to maintain my independence and partly — if I am to be honest — because I hate meetings.

But I’d become frustrated only writing about this particular case. Since the May 2004 highly publicized 67-hour standoff between Finck and VandenElsen and a heavily armed police swat team, I’ve written a half-dozen columns outlining my concerns about the role the Children’s Aid Society and Family Court played in taking this child from its parents, and about the massive use of police force to do it.

Each column generated e-mails, letters and phone calls, many from ordinary readers with no direct connection to the case or personal histories with Children’s Aid, most supporting my call for a public inquiry and many asking what they could do to help make an inquiry happen.

My only suggestion — that they write their MLA — seemed lame and unlikely to have much effect without an organized campaign behind it.

So when I got a call a few weeks ago from author Heather Laskey, a resident of the neighbourhood where the standoff took place [and fellow journalist], inviting me to a meeting she and some others were holding to discuss what they could do to right what they too saw as a wrong, I quickly agreed.

Last week, we — now known as the MCF Inquiry Committee (MCF is how the infant is described in court documents) — called a news conference to explain why a public inquiry is needed and to announce the committee’s plans to insert an advertisement in the next day’s Halifax Chronicle-Herald. The ad would outline the case for a public inquiry and encourage readers to write Justice Minister Michael Baker demanding one.

Just before the news conference, however, a Herald official called to say the paper wouldn’t run our ad without editorial changes (reasonable ones, in fact, to which we quickly agreed), and unless — as well as paying upfront for the ad — each member of the committee signed a letter to “indemnify and hold harmless The Halifax Herald Ltd., its officers and individuals acting on its behalf from any claims or causes of action” that might result from the ad.

That unusual request — when was the last time any newspaper asked Sobeys officials to sign a waiver absolving the paper of legal responsibility for the contents of their ads? — isn’t really so unusual in this very unusual case.

Ever since the standoff, in fact, media outlets have been grappling with a difficult dilemma: what can they legally publish or broadcast?

On the one hand, this is a child-custody case, and there are very clear rules in place that prohibit publishing any information that might reveal the identities of children involved in such cases.

On the other hand, the standoff — shotgun fired, police emergency response teams, snipers on roofs, neighbourhood evacuated — was a major news event that could not be understood without writing about the custody issue that triggered it all.

To complicate matters, the story raised a number of important questions of legitimate public interest. Were Children’s Aid and Family Court really acting in “the best interests of the child” when they took the five-month-old from her parents, or were they vindictively punishing two admittedly difficult parents for challenging their arbitrary authority? Did the police act appropriately, or did the massive deployment of police power actually create the crisis that followed?

How do you ask those questions without writing about the custody issue?

Even now, no one seems quite sure how to juggle these competing pressures. It took CBC Radio, for example, more than five hours and eight local newscasts’ worth of internal discussion last week to finally decide to run a story about our committee’s call for a public inquiry.

And the Herald, which had published its own first-rate, four-day series on the background to the case last week — the first real attempt to put the issues and personalities in context since Richard Cuthbertson’s excellent story on Larry Finck’s personal history appeared in The Daily News immediately after the standoff — decided not to post its own series on its website on the advice of its lawyers.

(Having raised the issue of how other media outlets have dealt with the story, I should note — gratefully — that my editors have not censored or substantively altered any of the columns I’ve written about the case.)

But this media conundrum — like the standoff circus and the courtroom craziness — is ultimately beside the point.

We are still left with questions:

  • Why did authorities take the child in the first place?
  • Who authorized the use of massive force to seize the child?
  • Why does the child not have her own independent legal representation in court?
  • What external checks and balances are in place to make sure that Children’s Aid, Family Court and the Community Services Department act in the interest of the child?

— that can only be answered by a full, independent and public inquiry.

If you agree, I encourage you to write (5151 Terminal Rd., Halifax, N.S. B3J 2L6), call (902-424-4044) or e-mail the justice minister http://www.blogger.com/bakermg@gov.ns.ca or michaelbakermla@ns.sympatico.ca demanding he appoints such an inquiry.

It won’t happen otherwise.



7. Open Letter to Justice Minister Michael Baker
by Stephen Kimber Tuesday, June 07, 2005

Dear Mr. Baker,

You said last week it is “inappropriate” for you to comment on calls for a public inquiry into the May 2004 seizure of then five-month-old Mona Clare Finck by the Children’s Aid Society, both because her parents are awaiting sentencing on their criminal convictions in the matter and because the issue of the now-toddler’s permanent custody is still before the courts.

That’s strange, Mr. Baker.

When does the inappropriate become appropriate for you?

On Nov. 10, 2004, for example, you announced, with much fanfare, that there will be “a full, independent and public inquiry” into the circumstances surrounding the death of Theresa McEvoy. You made this announcement less than a month after a teenager was charged with causing her death during a joyride in a stolen car. You announced this inquiry before the courts had dealt with those charges and a full seven months, in fact, before the boy’s sentencing hearing — which only begins this week — had taken place.

Appropriate?

This wasn’t even the first, or only, time you’d decided it was “appropriate” for you to talk [about] this particular case in public while it was before the courts. On Nov. 1, you criticized your own officials’ handling of the case and said it was “extremely unfortunate” the boy hadn’t been kept in jail while awaiting trial on other charges. On Nov. 4, you publicly expressed “sympathies” to the McEvoy family and promised you would “carefully review and consider” their request for a judicial inquiry. You even announced you would be going to Ottawa to lobby for legal changes to make it easier to keep young offenders behind bars.

Was that inappropriate?

You tell me.

In the Finck-VandenElsen case, you say that, “based on the information we have at the present time, the Department of Justice does not feel that a public inquiry is warranted.” Unless there is new information, you said, there would be no inquiry.

I have no new information, Mr. Baker, but I do have some old questions. Perhaps, since you feel the public knows everything we need to know about how this case was handled, you’d like to answer them for me:

1) What was the legal basis for seizing the baby from her parents? Which of the 14 criteria specified in the Family and Children’s Services Act justified this action? Did the court consider, as the Act requires, “the best interest of the child” and “the importance for the child’s development of a positive relationship with a parent or guardian and a secure place as a member of a family,” or was it swayed by irrelevant arguments about the personal behaviour and attitudes of the parents that were unrelated to their capabilities as parents?

2) What witnesses were called and what evidence was presented at the January 2004 hearing when the initial apprehension order was granted in order to satisfy the court there were “reasonable and probable grounds to believe that the child may be in need of protective services”? Did the proceedings demonstrate, as the Act requires, “a real danger [to the child] that is apparent on the evidence”?

3) Was the doctor who delivered the baby and met with the parents before and after the baby’s birth called to testify at this hearing? Was the judge informed that the Children’s Aid Society had interviewed the doctor the week before the hearing to ask if she had any concerns about “either parent, re: mental health,” and that she’d answered: “No, no concerns” ? Were the doctor’s notes“Both parents appropriate with baby, caring, loving” — introduced as evidence? Were those notes considered by the judge before making her decision?

4) Has your department — as it was so quick to do in the McEvoy case — launched an internal review of how this case was handled by your officials? By the Family Court? By Children’s Aid? If so, what was the nature of those inquiries? What were the results?

5) Has your department received a copy of the internal review by the Halifax Regional Police into its handling of this case? Will it be made public? Will there be an independent review to determine how and by whom the decision to use overwhelming force — battering ram, submachine guns — to carry out the apprehension order and whether this level of force was appropriate in this case?

I have other questions as well. About Children’s Aid’s role, more generally, in child custody cases. And about the checks and balances in place, in the law and in practice, to ensure that our Children and Family Services Act lives up to its lofty promise of acting in “the best interests of a child.”

But I’ll wait for your answer to these initial questions before I pose them.

I look forward to your reply.

Sincerely, Stephen Kimber





6. Why we need a public inquiry into the taking of Mona Clare
By Stephen Kimber
May 29, 2005

Forget for a moment the circus that their trial became: their lawyer firings, their seemingly ever-more-paranoid claims of baby-factory conspiracies, their spectator-shocking, judge-trying courtroom outbursts, their richly fertilized and cross-pollinated legal garden of lawsuits, appeals, briefs and petitions that are still growing wild inside Halifax court houses. Forget even Carline VandenElsen’s current “starving-for-the-children” hunger strike that threatens to turn this farce into tragedy.

Focus instead on the single critical — and still unanswered — question that is at the heart of the story of Mona Clare Finck: Did the Nova Scotia Children’s Aid Society have any reasonable legal grounds to seize the infant from her parents in the first place?

Everything else — policemen with battering rams and machine guns showing up at the Finck front door in the middle of one night last May, the single shot fired from inside the house, the 67-hour standoff with a heavily-armed police tactical squad that followed, the death by natural causes [heart attack] of Mona Clare’s grandmother in the middle of it all, the criminal charges, the trial, the application by child protection authorities for permanent custody… All of those events flow from an initial decision by Children’s Aid back in December 2003 to seek an apprehension order for the then still-unborn Mona Clare.

Why did Children’s Aid do that?

Could its decision to take the infant have been made on the basis of nothing more substantial than a relayed phone call to Ontario Children’s Aid from VandenElsen’s far-from-disinterested ex-husband, informing them — wrongly, as it turns out — that VandenElsen had already given birth in Halifax.

We do know VandenElsen and her husband Larry Finck had each been in conflict with child protection authorities in Ontario over the custody of their children from previous marriages. We know Finck served time for abducting his daughter [did not return child to her Uncle whom Mr Finck believed was abusing his daughter- the mother was deceased] , and VandenElsen was charged with kidnapping her triplets. But we also know a jury found her not guilty of those charges, accepting her argument she was acting out of what she considered necessity. We know too that the Crown successfully appealed the verdict, meaning VandenElsen — still not found guilty of anything — was awaiting a new trial at the time of the apprehension order.

Perhaps most importantly, we know now that there is nothing on the public record — other than their ongoing battles with child custody authorities — to indicate that either Finck or VandenElsen was an unfit parent.

So why did Children’s Aid seize Mona Clare?

Should there be — as Carline VandenElsen is demanding — a full public inquiry to answer that question?

Nova Scotia Justice Minister Michael Baker doesn’t think so. Shortly after VandenElsen announced she would stop eating until authorities agreed to such an inquiry, the Justice Minister issued a terse news release: “Based on the information we have at the present time,” he said, “the Department of Justice does not feel that a public inquiry is warranted.”

What information is that, Mr. Baker?

The province’s Children and Family Services Act, which governs child custody issues, is clear that the “purpose of this Act is to protect children from harm, promote the integrity of the family and assure the best interests of children.”

The Act specifically lists 14 different situations in which a child might be “in need of protective services.” Those include everything from actual and potential physical, sexual or emotional abuse, to neglect and abandonment, to the parents’ failure or unwillingness to provide proper medical care.

None of the criteria apply to this case.

Even if you were to stretch the Act’s Section 22.2(g) — which says a child can be taken from its parents if “there is a substantial risk that the child will suffer emotional harm [demonstrated by severe anxiety, depression, withdrawal, or self-destructive or aggressive behaviour]…” — and tried to make the argument that someday perhaps Mona Clare’s parents’ disputes with child protection authorities over custody of children from before she was born might somehow, possibly, conceivably result in some unspecified emotional harm to Mona Clare, well, that is much, much more than just a stretch.

The Act itself is clear about what constitutes “substantial risk” of harm to a child: “a real danger that is apparent on the evidence.”

The evidence in this case, in fact, suggests quite the opposite. The doctor who delivered the child and met with the family before and after her birth reported: “Both parents appropriate with baby, caring, loving.” Neighbours, who saw mother and daughter in the weeks before the police assault, said they saw nothing to indicate the child was in any danger. Doctors and nurses at the IWK, who examined five-month-old Mona Clare after she’d been seized by police, described her as “a well grown and well developed baby with no clinical signs of any illness… doing well… active, playful and feeding well…”

So, Mr. Baker, let me ask you again: What information did your department have at the time that legally justified seizing this child from her parents?

Or does this really have anything to do with the law?

Could it be that Children’s Aid here over-reacted to an over-reaction by child protection officials in Ontario, who didn’t like Finck’s and VandenElsen’s attitude and wanted to punish them for the crime of being difficult? And could it be that judges here okayed this because our Family Court system has become more of a rubber stamp for the child-care bureaucracy than a careful check on the arbitrary powers of those agencies? Could there be other cases as egregious as this one that we don’t yet know about only because no shots were fired. [absolutely !]

The truth, Mr. Baker, is that you already have plenty of information to warrant a public inquiry. It’s past time you called one.


5. Best interests of the child or Children’s Aid?
By Stephen Kimber
Halifax Daily News, February 27, 2005

What is in the best interest of a child? And what is in the best interest of the agency responsible for protecting that child?

Those were the first questions that jumped into my head last week when I learned that the Children’s Aid Society of Halifax now wants the courts to grant it permanent custody of the daughter of Larry Finck and Carline VandenElsen.

The Society says it believes it must seek permanent care and custody of the child because — in the 12-and-a-half months since it won its first apprehension order for the then-infant in January 2004 — “the parents have become more enveloped in their own theories of conspiracy and system abuse, and have shown a continued and increasing inability and unwillingness to acknowledge mental health issues, parenting concerns and their own involvement in activities which place the child at risk.”

Whoah.

Rewind.

We need to remind ourselves of how we got to this point in the first place.

Start with Finck and VandenElsen. They do each have a history of conflict with child protection authorities, it is true, but neither has ever been convicted of abusing or neglecting their children.

In the heat of custody disputes with their former spouses, both took off with their kids. In 2000, Finck was convicted and served time in jail. That same year, VandenElsen ran off to Mexico with her triplets because she was afraid she was about to lose all access to them. An Ontario jury later acquitted VandenElsen of child abduction, agreeing with her argument that she believed losing contact with their mother would cause the children irreparable harm. But the Crown has since successfully appealed that verdict and VandenElsen is now awaiting a second trial on those charges.

In the fall of 2003, after VandenElsen became pregnant with their child, she and Finck returned to her new husband’s hometown of Halifax, and moved in with his mother.

The event that apparently triggered the wild legal and emotional rollercoaster that is still rolling over both of them was a phone call to Children’s Aid officials in Ontario on Dec. 18, 2003, informing them that Carline was in Halifax, had had a baby — she didn’t until a week later — and that it could be in danger.

The call came from Craig Merkley, VandenElsen’s ex-husband, the one with whom she’d had the bitter custody dispute. Hardly an unbiased observer.

Based — so far as we know now — on that self-interested call and on the Ontario CAS’s blatantly obvious conclusion that Carline had attempted to “have the children align with her throughout a lengthy custody and acce